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The trannymobile - Import Discussion -> General Discussion

[url]http://www.tradecarview.com/used_car/japan%20car/mercedes-benz/sl-class/13358337/[/url]

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trannymobile? more like frankencar. this thing is having a huge identity crisis.. when i see stuff like this for sale i always imagine some young kid buying it because it's 'hella dope' and then when it breaks he goes to lordco and asks the counter guy what part he needs to replace to fix the "bub-bub-bub" noise when accelerating at part throttle.. there's going to be a very limited audience for a rig like this. at least, for people who won't destroy or abandon it after a couple months.

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Pacific Coast Auto Review - Import Discussion -> Vendor & Exporter Feedback

So with all this s**t going on, I thought the least I could do is post my own review/JDM story regarding Pacific Coast Auto/JDM [not sure which one is the official name haha ;)]

So my journey into the world of JDM started back when I was 17 and just got my novice licence. I almost purchased a 1990 Skyline R32 GTS-T, but mom and dad weren't very fond of the idea of RHD. So I bought a 1997 Eclipse GS-T instead (DSM power FTW!)

Fast forward 2 years and I sold the Eclipse, and was contemplating on getting another car. Luckily I found a black Skyline R33 GTS-T on sale on CL (owned by our very own Ben lol) but the deal never went through. I told myself if I was going into the JDM scene than I would go in all the way, and that's when I put the big boy shoes on and started my quest to import my very own car. I knew what I wanted, a Nissan Skyline, and contrary to a lot of people, I actually preferred the way the R33 looked and overall the car appealed to me much more than an R32. Of course saving up as much money as a student can, I only had enough dough for a GTS-T, but I was perfectly content with that.

After much research I heard very good reviews from Pacific Coast Auto. I looked up the website, gave Derek a call and to my amazement, he spoke PROPER ENGLISH lol. (This was surprising considering the other company I contacted first was JPC and I couldn't understand a word from the guy.) After talking to him I found out that he used to reside in BC before moving to Japan. So after that convo I was set on dealing with Derek and bringing home my very own Skyline.

Dealing with Derek was awesome, I couldn't have asked for better service. He sent me prompt emails, and helped me (a complete n00b at the time) with a lot of the technicalities that goes along with importing a car. (At this point in time I would also like to thank this forum, Richard and Ben for helping me out tremendously!) Derek also put up with my constant emails about different cars and auction translations. We missed out on a few nice cars, avoided some which he felt were not up to his standard, but I was extremely happy on what I ended up with!

After you’ve won the car and it has arrived in the yard, Derek takes literally over 100 pictures all in close detail to every ity bitty scratch and blemish on the car’s exterior as well as interior. He also sends you a couple videos of a cold start, warm engine rev, and an overall in depth review video [these you can find on his YouTube channel, make sure you subscribe ;)] And seeing these pictures and videos of your car that get emailed to you after days of just staring and analyzing the 2 photos taken at auction, which look like they have been taken by a toaster, it’s an amazing feeling haha, almost as good as seeing it in person. So after that Derek lets you know when the next boat is going to come and the estimated arrival time. He sends you all the documents necessary, as well as a few extra stuff if your car came with parts already (I’ll detail it below).

So below I will describe in short detail my experience with the car’s I’ve bought through him.

- 1996 Nissan Skyline R33 GTS-T Spec II
This was the first, numero uno, the one that I will always remember, the car I’ve always wanted to own and drive. So after missing a couple cars that I really hoped I get, I upped the anti on the bid for this one. And surprisingly I got it for MUCH less than I bid on it! It had a lot of amazing goodies like 17” Volk TE37s, full Apexi adjustable suspension, GT-R rear wing, 5zigen turboback exhaust, full Defi gauge cluster, GT-R rear brace…the list could go on. Derek also informed me that he found lots of neat parts in the trunk including a spare oil filter, some suspension bits, speakers etc. He then packaged all the nice ones up and sent them to me along with my documents. Also I’d like to add that I missed out on a few cars, one was due to an error on Derek’s side, he informed me and apologized and even went as far as to give me a discount on his service fee (a really honest gesture IMO). So anyways, fast forward, and I drove it for around 6 months, but then the JDM bug caught me again come February, enter, the EVO 5.

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- 1998 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 5 GSR
After importing and owning the Skyline, I felt that I had some extra money on the side that I wanted to spend on another JDM car. I send Derek an email and from there we went. I missed out on a really nice one, but eventually found one just as clean in white with amazingly low mileage. During the time I was waiting for the EVO to come in, I ended up selling the Skyline, and the timing worked out perfectly, or so I thought, until there was a massive delay in shipping as my boat got delayed numerous times. Derek kept me updated on the boat schedule but eventually we got one and my car arrived soon enough. Ran awesome except for a shot battery, and handled like a dream!

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- 1996 Nissan Skyline R33 GTS-T Spec II
No this is not a typo. After getting the EVO I made the decision to buy another Skyline and keep it as a project car, something to have fun in, the rear wheel drive kinda fun ;). I bid on the first car I liked and got it! For this car I also used Derek’s new part service which he offers and bought myself an HKS SSVQ bov. My car is here at the port as of this post, and I’m waiting to pick it up (stupid new appointment rule!).

Overall Derek is awesome to deal with! It can be (and is) scary dealing with someone you’ve never met, never seen the car, and still drop money on it, but what’s so awesome is that Derek made me feel comfortable with the decision and because of all the good things I heard about him and his company, that is what made me pull the trigger and go for it. What’s great about Derek too is that he likes to keep in touch and updated regarding how the car is doing and such, just a really genuine guy to deal with. He comes across to me a true fan of cars, and even though I’ve never met him personally, I’m sure we could talk about for hours about cars while sitting and having a beer. I’m glad the way things went for me to eventually lead down this road and get in contact with a true professional like Derek.
I know this is part of my story, along with a review of Pacific Coast Auto, but I thought it would be nice to fit it all in one thread.

Peace :)

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Hello everyone!

For some reasons I do not post here too often but keep reading from time to time. I am a big fun of RHD. I've got four cars from Derek already and the '98 Celsior is on the way to Canada now.

Here is my feedback from [URL="http://pacificcoastjdm.com/testimony"]PacificCoast website:[/URL]
[I]
"Comment about vehicle inspection
Your description is professional and very detailed and I never had such before. Pics are good too!
Still cannot believe how lucky we are! It surely rare find!
All we need is to ship-receive it safely.

Testimony once vehicle was landed
I am really happy that have ordered Pajero from Derek Weldon, owner of Pacific Auto Imports based in Japan.
From the very beginning Derek asked me questions to create precise profile of my dream truck.
Then the search had begun. He showed several decent trucks but due to various circumstances, I was not ready to buy and one day he found one I was not able to refuse. It was 1993 LWB 2.8L turbo diesel Mitsubishi Pajero with intercooler! It was rare to find 16.000 km on the clock. 5A auction grade. I was ready to pay more but Derek managed got this truck for less because of his smart auction strategy. Derek sent me more than hundred pictures and detailed description and prepared truck for shipping. When the Pajero arrived needless to say, it was exactly in the same condition as Derek described. This is pretty rare. This is my fifth import from Japan and I ALWAYS I got NOT exactly what I paid for...Another thing I'd like to mention is a paper work. It was top notch, even custom officer here (pretty old grand mom) told me "if I could post your documents set as a sample, how importation papers are supposed to be done". I am sure it is a higher mark of Derek's professionalism recognition by Canadian authority. I know for sure that my next import from Japan I'll do with Derek. Highly recommended by proud 5A grade Pajero owner."[/I]

After years my review is valid and my next import I will do with Derek from PacificCoast. It is a pleasure to do business with him.

Thanks Derek for being helpful, honest and frank person!

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JZS161 V300 Vertex Back Left Passenger Door Lock Dead - Toyota -> Aristo

My car has always 'double locked' itself, that is when I tell it to lock, it locks twice. It even locks itself twice when driving from a stand still even if already locked.

I'm wondering if it's because my back left passenger door lock actuator is dead/broken/not working (I assume it's the actuator).

Does anyone know the part#, if it's the same as the USDM GS300/400/430 of the same area and how hard it is to replace this part?

Do you think it will solve the double locking issue?
I've done some reading and hear at least the USDM versions are notorious for unreliable door lock actuators.

Thanks guys.

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I had similar "multi-locking" issue - but not "double-locking". When it was really cold in the winter my rear door didn't lockup because grease probably got frozen.
When I drove after 20 km/h it is starting to click every several seconds without stopping, trying to lock the doors. What happens: vehicle tries to lock doors and every lock has some kind of sensor, it knows if it locked or not. Because one lock is not closed, controller trying to close it every x second, and you hear this sound as a click. When I close this lock manually it stops clicking.

Part#: 69140-30110 ACTUATOR ASSY, REAR DOOR LOCK, LH
Looks like it is same on GS300/400/430 and 2000-2003 Prius, price is $88 in the States.

I think you have to disassemble the door first and clean and grease it first, maybe it is just dirty.

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JZS161 V300 Vertex VVTi 2JZ-GTE Oil Leak - Toyota -> Aristo

Hi guys

I have a fairly big oil leak on my car that I haven't had chance to track down.
It seems that oil is dripping onto the oil pan and also the front right portion of the cross member (the driver side). It's a bit embarrassing because it does leave oil when parked or when stopped and can be smelled inside and outside the cabin.:mad:

I've checked with a flashlight but can't really figure out where it's coming from, does anyone such as an Expert know typical points of oil leaks for this engine such as a hose, sensor or valve cover etc... ?

Sorry I know it isn't a lot to go on, but these forums have got me through a bunch of annoying issues such as my dying/coilpack problems which I hope is now permanently fixed.

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Valve cover would be my first suggestion..

2JZ leaking from there is pretty commen.

DO you have oil in the spark plug wells?

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Yes this valve cover gasket are same on 1JZ/2JZ. Mine on Mark II is also a little bit wet but not leaking yet, just traces of oil on the sides.

Part#:
11213-46030
11214-46011

I went to the local Toyota dealer and they quoted me around $25 per gasket and they didn't have them in stock etc.
So I've ordered them from the States, was around 2.5 times cheaper: 10.99 and 12.51 and got delivered in a week by USPS (no GST or duties).

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Sorry to hear that the oil leaks got worse. When I had it, there were no leaks that dripped down but they did drip on the under cover.

Be careful when changing the valve cover gaskets (if you are doing it yourself) because you don't want to crush them with too much torque.

The mechanic found multiple possible leak points on the bottom of your engine but like you, he could not locate the source since they are hidden. He was using a mirror to see. If you want, I can ask him to recommend what gaskets are the most likely to need replacing given what he has seen of it.

Good luck

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Pacific coast JDM multi-review. - Import Discussion -> Vendor & Exporter Feedback

I've imported several cars from Pacific Coast JDM over the last 4 years and Have had a positive experience even when things didn't go quite as planned. Derek has always gone the extra mile to make sure that my importation process goes as smoothly as possible. I'll go through the list on a car by car basis.

1- 1994 Subary Legacy GT wagon, 2.0 twin turbo, automatic.

This was actually the first car that Pacific Coast JDM ever exported, and as such was the test run for many things to come. The condition of the vehicle was great, and the price was rock bottom (almost free). Once it got here and Everything was inspected and legal I noticed that the primary turbo was howling a little bit and as a personal favour, Derek bid on a used set on Yahoo Japan and got them to me. The car didn't need them right away but I wanted to be prepared.. 3 years later when the car had been passed on to my brother, it finally got replaced along with a set of coilpacks, which Derek also sourced out for me more recently for a far better deal than any local supplier.

2- 1995 VW Golf GTI, 2.0 16v 5 speed.

My Golf was fantastic. in this case the hidden surprises not listed on the auction sheet turned out to be a lot of aftermarket parts. I got an ECU, cam, exhaust header, stainless brake lines, cross drilled rotors, and bilstien shocks and struts. The auction sheet listed the cross drilled rotors and aftermarket muffler, but that's it. I had an issue with a compound error in the vehicle vin# where I had 3 different vins on 3 different forms.. customs and ICBC didn't like that much. Dereks papers were fine, but then a typo on one from the auction carried over to a further typo on one from customs. Derek was able to reprint and correct the paperwork issues and priority mail the new documents to me within a week. The car sadly was in a high speed crash with me in it, I thank german engineering and luck for the minor degree of injuries I sustained.. The Golf went to the graveyard in my place that day.

3- 1996 Subaru Legacy GT-B wagon, 2.0 twin turbo, 5 speed

I missed my subaru after the golf, but wasn't a fan of the automatic paired with the twin turbo powerband.. The answer: the GT-B with a 5 speed. The car had some aftermarket parts and was quite low, but it performed amazingly. Dereks service was efficient and problem free on this one, everything went as it should! It now lives in washington state, which is a story all of its own on the Subaru Legacy International forum.

4- 1992 Nissan Homy camper van, 4wd 2.7 diesel, auto.

This van was at first purchased by a different customer of Pacific Coast JDM, but upon seeing the inspection video they decided the interior really wasn't what they were after and asked to send it back to auction. Instead, Derek knew that I had an eye out for a cheap camper van and proposed to sell it to me at a discount to avoid the hassle of possibly losing money sending it back to auction form the port. It needed a fair amount of work once I got it here, but I had a lot of fun reworking some of the interior and sorting out the electrical issues it had. I ended up selling it for a good profit to a young couple who are taking it to burning man, after they hippie-transform the interior to zebra print and muppet fur. haha.

also along the way I've helped friends of mine import a 1994 Hilux surf, 1996 Pajero SWB, a 1996 BMW Z3, and a 1995 Hilux surf. All of them have been great long lasting cars with impeccable communication and service from Pacific Coast JDM with the exception of the 95 Hilux surf.. Once it got to the port there were excessive amounts of burning coolant that was not listed on the auction sheet. Derek and I both advised my friend to send it back to auction but he was set on this unit due to the body condition and aftermarket lift kit it had. Derek said he didn't feel right sending the vehicle in this condition and discounted his fee to help with the repair bill, cutting in to his own profit. It turned out to need a whole new cylinder head which was a large bill, and that didn't even fix the overheating issue. The truck was sold shortly after being repaired in an "as-is" state, for only a few hundred short of the total investment. While my friend was not happy with the vehicle in the end, he was still very pleased with the services Pacific Coast JDM provided and is about to start looking for a Pajero after being impressed with our other friends example.

In closing and in personal statements, Derek comes across as having been a car guy before he was a business man. He gets excited about your new purchase along with you and looks forward to getting a first hand look at your car at the port. If something isn't up to his high standards, you'll know right away what it is and what options there are to deal with it either while it's still in Japan, or once it arrives to you. Buying a used car whether locally or internationally is always a bit of a risk, but Dereks expertise in identifying warning signs on auction sheets has always been a great initial indicator for me and I trust his judgement when it comes to evaluating used cars.

Thanks for reading, and I hope you choose Derek at Pacific Coast JDM for your next car import adventure!

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Nice review..

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Thanks James, I'm glad to have known you for a long time. Thank you for the nice words.

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Haha I must have my head in the gutter today as I read [quote]1992 Nissan Homy camper van[/quote] as 1992 Nissan [I]Horny[/I] camper van lmao.

Good review btw.

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[QUOTE=Speed Stick;75917]Haha I must have my head in the gutter today as I read as 1992 Nissan [I]Horny[/I] camper van lmao.

Good review btw.[/QUOTE]

you're not the first one to misread the name, and actually it would be a quick saw cut on the M in the badge and a 1/4 inch space to make it the truth. lol... similar to how a buddy of mine years ago took all the letters off the back of his oldsmobile cutlass and simplified it to just read "old slut".


another thing I want to add to my review in hindsight; Derek is one of the only (if not THE only) exporter who offers a 100% refund on your deposit if you decide to not bid on a car. in my view this makes the initial process and commitment no more final than if you were simply browsing used cars on craigslist or a local car lot. no funds are sacrificed until the browsing stage is over and you actually win a bid... mind you, I always keep a deposit on file with him just in case some shiney candy appears. it's only a matter of time, right? haha.

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Maintenance Schedule - Subaru -> Impreza

Hey there, I'm just wondering if anyone has a maintenance schedule done up for their car? I just bought a '96 wrx/sti v2 type ra, and I want to make sure it lasts a good long time.

Regards,
Chris Allard

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Welcome to forum Chris!

If you actually look up at the second-to-last stickied thread, you will see the Maintenance Guide. :)

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Here is the link VTAKLOL is talking about.
[url]http://forums.jdmvip.com/JDM_Subaru_Impreza_WRX_General_Maintenance_Guide_Subaru_Impreza-143-t[/url]

But honestly just make sure to do the diff, tranny and engine oil when you receive the car if it hasn't been changed recently. Then work your way to doing the other fluids throughout the car as who knows when the last time they were changed if ever.

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Sei Trading Corporation, their ¥30,000 fee is the lowest I've come across - Import Discussion -> General Discussion

I'm wondering if they're worth checking out. I'm a little weary because a google street level image of their "Toyama showroom and office" shows an empty lot. Is this a good indicator?

They're registered with "ExportBureau" does this mean anything?

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I'm sure there's a bunch of extra fees added on that other's just include. Some exporters like to break it down for whatever reason.

Having said that, I've yet to buy from a company I couldn't find on Google Streetview. ;)

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[QUOTE=Boyblue;75755]
They're registered with "ExportBureau" does this mean anything?[/QUOTE]

Anyone can register with Export Bureau. Its not a good indication of a company still in operation. Have you emailed them?

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[QUOTE=trev;75805]I'm sure there's a bunch of extra fees added on that other's just include. Some exporters like to break it down for whatever reason.

Having said that, I've yet to buy from a company I couldn't find on Google Streetview. ;)[/QUOTE]

Of course you're right about the fees. I beleive some of them do it that way in order to ensure that they don't loose on a deal and others do it to pad their charges. I guess it's a bit predudicial but I am a little put off by by agents that have their offices in what appears to be apartment buildings :)



[QUOTE=Sastrad;75811]Anyone can register with Export Bureau. Its not a good indication of a company still in operation. Have you emailed them?[/QUOTE]

I haven't emailed them recently. I started this process last year and stopped it wasn't urgent. In reading my old emails it seems like my last one was never answered. BTW your ¥90,000 is looking pretty tough to beat, especially for to additional services - like the on site inspection.

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1993 Subaru WRX.... Again. 9000$ - JDM Buy & Sell Section -> Private Sales

[SIZE=3][U]Vehicle Details[/U][/SIZE]
Year : 1993
Make and Model : Subaru Impreza WRX
Exterior Color : Satin Black
Interior Color : Black (top half removed, was going to redo the tan in black)
Auto or Manual? : Manual
Odometer Reading : 180xxx (Motor has ~65k)
Location of Vehicle : Edmonton
Kijiji Link : [url]http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-6-SPEED-1993-GC8-WRX-9000-FIRM-Madness-W0QQAdIdZ495503029[/url]
Asking Price : 9000 FIRM.
Description :


Seriously - I sold my crappy 5 spd gc8 with almost no mods for 8500 not 8 months ago. 9000 gets you a fully 6 spd swapped GC8, with boltons and a tune. ~300 whp. No its not showroom condition - it'd be up for 13,500 if so. I need it gone as I need something bigger.

It drives awesome. Sounds fantastic and you know what? B*tches love Subaru rumble.



Mods include -

-FMIC

-550 STi injectors

-Walbro 255 Pump

-Rob's 550 Tune (18psi)

-Apex-i Intake

-Invidia N1 RACE (Easily the best sounding exhaust for a subaru)

-Dry cell battery

-Hallman MBC

-Blitz super-sound BOV




Drivetrain/Suspension/Brakes/Wheels:


-05 STi 6 Speed(hubs, axles, driveshaft and R180 diff)

-DCCD Pro Center Diff Controller

-ACT Stg3 Clutch

-Rear Diff Bushings

-STi Short Shifter (solid bushings)

-BC Racing Coilovers

-Carbon STi strut tower bar

-Brembo STi Calipers

-Stoptech Rotors

-Hawk pads

-SS Brake Lines

- Honda CRV steelies (only steelies that fit over brembos) wrapped in 215/50R17 Nokian Hakk 7's


Exterior:


-Seibon Carbon Hood

-V5/6 Front end Conversion

- 06-07 STi WRC spoiler (this thing is one of the coolest pieces I've seen)

- V6 Grill (will also throw in my CF grill)

Interior:


-V4 RA STi Seat pass side, RECARO drivers

-Defi Boost and Oil Temp Gauges w/controller

-Innovate X-16 WB



Done in the past 3k -

Tranny fluid w/ motul 75w90

Engine oil

Coolant flush

Fuel filter

Spark plugs

Aluminum radiator

Rad cap


Motor has approx 85,000 kms on it, swapped from a '95 WRX.

[SIZE=3][U]Contact Information[/U][/SIZE]
Phone : 780-700-5707


Pictures :

On kijiji link.


Currently needs a window switch but will be replaced before I sell it.

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WTB - JDM drivers side window switch - JDM Buy & Sell Section -> Private Sales

Any partouts than can halp? Need asap!

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New pick up rules for WWL - Import Discussion -> Canada - Importing JDM Cars From Japan

Figured I would post it here. WWL informed me today of the new rules :confused:

See attachments for details.

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I'm not well versed in the whole shipping/pickup side of things. But after all the reports of hostility from dock workers, theft, thrashing of customer's cars, and silly policies, I think someone would get a lot of business if they established a new receiving facility or whatever it is that WWL does.

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I was wondering when this would go public and be enforced.. CBSA was talking about starting this process a couple months ago..

and the time is now.

good times

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This is how I thought it always worked ... :)

But what do I know, I've always had a hauler pick my cars up

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Up until now this is how it worked..

Drive up to gate.

Guard asks you "What do you want here"

Standard reply "Going to pick up a used car"

Guard "Ok"

Then you go to the office pay your dues and get the WWL paperwork.

and a Guard would meet you at the Gravel car pickup lot.

Walk you to your car, and verify the VIN match's the one that on the paperwork then hang around while you jump start it.

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This is going to be very inconvenient, especially for out of town customers. Now, if you got all releases you possibly can't pickup on the next day because they need up to 36 hours.

Especially stupid rule about taxi, if I'm arriving in Vancouver I will get first available taxi, but by new rules I have to choose specific company in advance. Kind of reminds me mother-Russia with all these complicated rules :(

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Wow, well annoying is the best way I can put this. I already miss the good ol' days.

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wastgeate solenoid not working - Subaru -> Subaru General

i have a legacy gtb anyways the engine light came on with code 44 meaning the solenoid i got a new one but turns out my old one was fine, it open and closes as it should when tested with a battery but once plugged in doesn't work. so it has something to do with the factory wiring somewhere any thoughts? i tested my secondary solenoid and that gets about 6.30-66 on the volt meter and when testing the primary solenoid clip i get 3.something so about half of the secondary one.

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FS 1996 Mitsubishi evolution IV - JDM Buy & Sell Section -> Private Sales

hi there.
decided to sell my 96 evo.
158,xxxkms
fujisubo titanium exhaust. (turbo back)
enkei wheels
lowered on adjustable coilovers
samco intercooler pipes
hks turbo timer
hks EIDS
blitz blow off valve
adjustable boost gauge.
carbon fibre hood.
oil changed every 4-5000kms.
new valve cover gasket
asking $8000 obo
need it gone asap, no reasonable offer refused.

thanks:)

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Add some pictures when you can, usually helps to sell a car.

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Link:
[url]http://nanaimo.en.craigslist.ca/cto/3867417839.html[/url]

More photos of the hood? Is it obviously cf, or does it blend in pretty well (is it painted?)

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Aristo JZS161 2JZ-GTE VVTi Ignition/Car Dying Issues Caused by Coil Pack Connectors - Toyota -> Aristo

I hope this helps others because I believe this may be more common than some know. I believe it may have happened to hunter/purgedtt's car and was a bit of pain to track down, it wasn't apparent and many may look at the connectors and see they are connected and think everything is fine and even more weird, a single bad connection will cause the whole car to die (this seems like a poor/unreliable design which is surprising for Toyota).

It may appear to be a bad fuel pump

The symptoms may make you believe it's a fuel pump as the car may fail to start or take a few tries to start. The car may also die while driving, idling, or coasting as if it's out of fuel and it may start up again after waiting for 5+ minutes. It really all does sound like a classic sign of a fuel pump failure.

What are other symptoms of bad coil pack connectors/connections?
1.) As above it will appear like a bad fuel pump
2.) The car will die as if it's out of fuel and you won't be able to rev it as the RPMs just drop and the car dies.
3.) When it doesn't do #2, the car may idle and slowly the idle will keep dropping, and the car will start misfiring violently before it does as the RPMs slowly fall.

How do you know it wasn't the fuel pump since the symptoms match?
Because I installed a new Walbro GSS342 and it didn't solve the issue.:D

Where can I read more details?

[url]http://forums.jdmvip.com/JZS161_V300_Dead_Fuel_Pump_Part_Toyota_Aristo-5624-t-4#37[/url]

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Announcement: Soren Retiring from mod. - Import Discussion -> Welcome, Announcements & Suggestions

Hey guys, it has become clear to me that I need to disassociate myself from close contact and association with JDMVIP (the person, not the site) and am resigning as a mod on this site. I have given countless hours into building this community, and helping out where possible - including some fun extras. As of late, I haven't been around much, my kids (2 and 5 year old) wife and 65 year old house keep me pretty busy outside of work, but I have made many great friends here, and appreciate that very much. It will be very difficult to explain the reasons for my resignation here, in a manner that will not offend JDMVIP and create undue drama, but I do believe an explanation is neccesary. I have told VIP in a private setting what I think of him, and trust that you all will understand my reasonings, but I will have to speak to aspects of VIP's personality and actions. I'm very disappointed in him.
When I initially found this board, I began to build as much information and improve the community with contacts that I figured.would be quality people and an asset to our community. I became a a mod, because of the further possibility to guide and improve the community here.

I have always found VIP to be awkward, and in his own world, but generally harmless. The latest thread though has been a complete embarrasment to VIP and the community at large. We were known to be a friendly community that gets it done. I no longer believe that to be true, but time could change this for the positive. VIP has made it clear that he will not tolerate being questioned, and has acted very irresponsibly by accusing one of our members and exporters of some very heinous things. The damage that this has caused himself, the community and this member is immense. I did my very best behind the scenes to implore him not to pursue this campaign against Derek, and to be honest, in many ways, it really matters not now, if Derek has comitted fraud! The manner and execution of the allegations, and the rigity of VIPs resolve that his "evidence" is airtight show me clearly that I no longer want to be closely associated with this guy.


For all of those who have called, texted, emailed and pm'd me regarding the idea of starting a new forum that would be a cleaner and friendly community, I like that idea, and wouldn't be opposed, but I still love and believe in this community, and won't be going anywhere soon. This episode is a real shame, but we can make the decisions to keep the comunity vital. Sorry if you have contacted me, and I haven't gotten back to you, I have done my very best to respond to those close to me, but I only have so much time, and the amount of communication has been overwhelming. My phone is pretty screwed right now too, so texting really only works for.me at home, when I am plugged in -sorry.

To the other mods, Greg and Ben, thanks for a great ride, I have always appreciated your input and perspective. I have learned much from the way that you guys handle things, and really respect both of you, and am very happy to count you as good friends.
To Areeb, I have done my best to keep my feelings about you out of this post. I will never reveal here all that I know, and really wish that you had worked with Derek initially instead of frustrating and stonewalling him in order to build a conspiracy. Ben said that you can be tenacious once, and I agree, but misdirected, it is quite unbecoming. I also wish you'd not posted your accusations, but rather what you knew, and been open to where everything.leads. Instead you came in with mind made up based on weak assumptions and shut down, laughed at, misdirected and ridiculed anyone who opposed you. Now you wonder why... Actually, scratch that, you have decided that it must be a conspiracy, and will.continue with your sillyness.

I'm out.

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Too bad it had to come down to this Shaun, but I completely understand your decision. I also agree with you completely.

But hey, if you do start a new forum make sure to let some of us know ;)

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Hi Soren,

Your resignation comes as a shock and a surprise to me, but I'd like to thank you for your service to the community and truly appreciate all of the positive things you've done.

I wish you and your family all the best, and all members who abide by the rules are welcome to be here.
I can appreciate that you recognized that you could not be an unbiased moderator.

I do not want your resignation to be sullied, and I will just kindly say that I don't feel your comments towards me are fair or true. I did not comprehend until now, just how much personal feelings played a part of your actions as a moderator, or why you hold such a poor opinion of me or my personality.

My actions are always guided by a consistent set of principles, that apply to everyone equally.
All I can say for the few who don't yet know what's transpired, that I've never hesitated to do what's right regardless of the pressure or ridicule. I hope that no member feels uncomfortable here including you, I believe there can always be a positive outcome even when we don't all agree :).

Again, thank you for the positive contributions you've made to the community.

PS if you do change your mind and can accept the core values of this site, there's no hard feelings and I think this will only make us all closer. If you still want to resign for the mentioned reasons then I accept your resignation.

Cheers

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[QUOTE=Soren;75577]
For all of those who have called, texted, emailed and pm'd me regarding the idea of starting a new forum that would be a cleaner and friendly community, I like that idea, and wouldn't be opposed, but I still love and believe in this community, and won't be going anywhere soon. [/QUOTE]

Shuan, thanks for all the hard work you have put into this community. Your experience and guidance to newcomers as well as the experiences has been a true asset to this group. I'm glad you aren't going anywhere. Opposites in any community will happen, and as long as people aren't flaming each other, and recognize the difference , then two sides to an opinion is democratic.

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Welcome to the civilian club Shaun!

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[QUOTE=Speed Stick;75594]Too bad it had to come down to this Shaun, but I completely understand your decision. I also agree with you completely.

But hey, if you do start a new forum make sure to let some of us know ;)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, thanks Speedstick! Now that everything is out in the open, and the matter is settled, it just really goes to show what happens if you don't allow for other input, or allow people to question you.

I will be sure to! :D

[QUOTE=GregA;75637]Welcome to the civilian club Shaun![/QUOTE]
You too buddy. No longer saddled with the phoney and silly title "friendly and unbiased" We should get together sometime. Tuesday okay? :D

[QUOTE=Sastrad;75608]Shuan, thanks for all the hard work you have put into this community. Your experience and guidance to newcomers as well as the experiences has been a true asset to this group. I'm glad you aren't going anywhere. Opposites in any community will happen, and as long as people aren't flaming each other, and recognize the difference , then two sides to an opinion is democratic.[/QUOTE]

You bet. I believe that I've done a pretty decent job here, and I know that many who have joined are here because I pushed it on them haha! My big measure of success though, is the great friendships I've formed here. I just hope that we can all have a place that we can all hang out at without drama and strangeness.

Gotta multiquote this sucka, it was of course written before VIP was proven to be incorrect about his major issue.
[QUOTE=jdmvip;75596]Hi Soren,
Your resignation comes as a shock and a surprise to me, but I'd like to thank you for your service to the community and truly appreciate all of the positive things you've done.

I wish you and your family all the best, and all members who abide by the rules are welcome to be here.
I can appreciate that you recognized that you could not be an unbiased moderator.
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Surprised that it was a shock to you, as many times, I asked tough questions, or observed your terrible behavior, you acted hurt, and insulted, like I would dare question you, and you mentioned a few times that I should seriously consider if I was worthy of being a mod ! haha. I don't believe that the friendly and unbiased title works with you, because you've shown you are neither in your latest escapade, but again, I'm certain that you will say that I'm insulting you, when I merely am stating fact and opinion based on events.
It's VERY funny to me (bolded) the statement you've made.. It's a backhanded way of trying to convince readership that I was unworthy to be a moderator here, and that I was biased. The reality is posted above, I don't want people to mistakenly think that you and I share the same values, or for people to think I support you, because I don't, and I'm glad I didn't through this - I'm glad I fought for the truth to come out, once you posted your allegations - EVEN THOUGH it meant that you and your wife would come out of the woodwork and insult or denigrate me.

Let's make it very clear. [COLOR="Red"][I]I am not leaving modship because of MY behaviour, I'm leaving because of YOURS! [/I][/COLOR] I would have had you banned after the first post in that thread if it wasn't your site, and I had that power. Just sayin'

[QUOTE=jdmvip;75596]
I do not want your resignation to be sullied, and I will just kindly say that I don't feel your comments towards me are fair or true. I did not comprehend until now, just how much personal feelings played a part of your actions as a moderator, or why you hold such a poor opinion of me or my personality.
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Well, I guess I'll let your actions speak for themself. I believe that everyone on this board now knows why personality is important in this conflict. You didn't back down at all, even though people had great questions, and you had poor answers. The reality was (and likely still is) that you feel that you were ripped - and specifically by one person/company, so you were, no matter what the reality of the situation is.

You often used this line to try to discredit what I would input (my opinion of you being poor, this is personal etc. etc.) but the reality is that your personality guided you falsely into accusation and false righteousness, to the point that no one would be allowed to question you.

[QUOTE=jdmvip;75596]
My actions are always guided by a consistent set of principles, that apply to everyone equally.
[/QUOTE]

That's a nice statement, that puts you above all, or at least many.. but it doesn't hold up. You also have to leave room for error, we are all human. I remember one of the first things I asked was if maybe you had made a mistake. You were adamant that you couldn't have. ????


[QUOTE=jdmvip;75596]
All I can say for the few who don't yet know what's transpired, that I've never hesitated to do what's right regardless of the pressure or ridicule. I hope that no member feels uncomfortable here including you, I believe there can always be a positive outcome even when we don't all agree :).
[/QUOTE]

That's a nice statement, that puts you above all, or at least many.. but it doesn't hold up.

I think you could re-form that second statement to be more correct, so that it reads that "I try to always do what I feel is right, no matter what pressure" and I can agree with that.


[QUOTE=jdmvip;75596]
Again, thank you for the positive contributions you've made to the community.
[/QUOTE]
No problems. I did work very hard to make people feel comfortable, and do some fun extra things during my ride here.


[QUOTE=jdmvip;75596]
PS if you do change your mind and can accept the core values of this site, there's no hard feelings and I think this will only make us all closer. If you still want to resign for the mentioned reasons then I accept your resignation.
Cheers[/QUOTE]

I don't have any problems accepting the core values of this site, I actually quite like them, and think they are one of the reasons the community is so good - but you breached them and changed the rules as of late. Your attack and defense (coupled with further attack) have been very disruptive.

I'm feeling free, and I hope that you can make a decent apology, and make things right again. Hopefully people will once again trust you after time, but I choose not to allow you into my inner circle from this point, as you've shown me that I do not matter to you, and you are not interested in my advice, even if it is for your benefit - Imagine, if you'd listened to me in the first place, you never would have to have gone through this.

That is unless you still believe you are right, but that would be pure delusion.

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Soren, you're a top notch guy and it's a shame this forum is losing you as a moderator. But at least you have decided to kick it old school style with the rest of us on here. Props dude!

I really hope many of us can meet up in Edmonton sometime this summer and enjoy a nice evening in the River Valley or something. Focus on what really matters, having a good laugh with some fine JDM folks.

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Oh and can we put Soren back to mods? He can have "biased mod" title for what i know. I still need to fix my damn thread and he is the only one I would trust to do this since we mortals cant have edit function (the only forum on the net btw with such bs). So?

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[QUOTE=dirtygames;75823] we mortals cant have edit function (the only forum on the net btw with such bs).[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on that, it's stupid only having 30 minutes to do edits after you post something.

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Fuel Pump Relay Question - Subaru -> Impreza

My wrx died on me this morning, I thought it was the fuel pump since it wasn't priming. I switched it out and thought I had solved the problem. Still wouldn't start..

So I switched out the fuel pump relay for the blower motor relay, it was also throwing code 11 for crank position sensor, I changed that as well.

It ended up starting no problem once I switched out the relay and sensor. Comes to find out I tested the old fuel pump and it was fine.. so my guess is the fuel pump relay is flaky? I bought one locally but the pin out was different. Does anybody know if this is a jdm part only or if there is a part number available for it.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

1995 ej20g engine btw

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How do I remove glue /silicone from bumper without damaging paint? - Import Discussion -> General Discussion

I have a fiberglass lip that I took off my car - it was glued on with combination of things (silicone, double sided tape, some sort of glue)... I want to know how do I remove all that without damaging the paint on my bumper ?

I was thinking heat gun + knife + precision ?

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Go to an autobody supply store and pick up an eraser wheel. I just used one to take off double sided tape on my vehicle. It's essentially a big eraser that can go on the end of your cordless drill. It worked really well.

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if u use an eraser wheel. move quickly and dont stay in 1 spot too long or else you'll burn through the clear coat.

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will try that tomorrow.

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Could always do some Goo Gone/adhesive remover and some elbow grease.

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Forester STi Seats - Sponsors -> JDM Connection

Had a bunch of requests for Forester seats lately, so bought a few sets. These will be in the August parts container that will be located in Spruce Grove, Alberta.

These will fit any 1997 – 2002 SF5 Forester. Prices are $700.00 per set of 2 plus gst. Pictures are as follows:

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New Stagea Owner - Nissan -> Stagea

Hello everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I was the person that purchased Devin's Stagea. I has always wanted a Stagea, and now that I moved from Ontario to B.C. I finally got one. It is an absolutely beautiful car, which is all thanks to Devin taking wonderful care of it. I have included a picture of it at its new home in North Van.

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Welcome. You'll have to give us your opinions and plans for it!

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Welcome, sorry who is Devin, do you know his username here?
How do you like the Stagea so far?

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His username is DevC. I should have put that in the post. And the car is amazing so far I really love it. As for future plans, I am looking to find a R33 Gtst rear sway bar, R33 GTR front sway bar, Cusco makes a rear strut tower brace for it, then an exhaust, fmic and Nistune.

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SASTRAD Auction site - Sponsors -> SASTRAD

HI all,
Here is a link to our YouTube channel, and this particular video is explaining how to use our third-party auction site.

[url]http://youtu.be/tOtLWiWJBYI[/url]

Feel free to email me at [email]steve.sastrad@gmail.com[/email] if you have any questions.

Cheers

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Pacific Coast JDM & JPC Trade Fraud Review Complaint - Import Discussion -> Vendor & Exporter Feedback

Before I start this review and lay everything out, I want to say I'm disappointed in my experience and how I was treated as a customer when I wouldn't take no for an answer to proving the sale price of my vehicle, and that it is alarming because if it happened to me, it could have happened to anyone who had a negotiated sale. Further, Pacific Coast JDM built their business off our members and its alarming and more disappointing that a Sponsor, let alone a community member would behave this way and commit fraud in what is almost the perfect crime (for those without any inside sources). The other aspect that disappoints me but is somewhat understandable, is human nature, people often look at face-value rather than facts and don't report issues with their Exporter due to a perceived friendship or fear of a backlash, especially if a company is considered reputable and honest.

This review has been a long-time in the making as I've waited months for them to verify and prove the sale price is correct, which it is not. I have given Derek and his Agent many opportunities to come clean, prove the price and explain what really happened. After waiting for 3 months all I received was a poor quality forgery and when I asked for the original they refused to provide it for obvious reasons. Unfortunately my chances and final confrontation were interpreted as threats and resulted in a hostile and aggressive response, and ultimately contact being broken off. I have been warned that it is "unwise" to post this, that there will be "consequences" and that my story is "not believable". With that said, my response to those comments were that it is best to prove me wrong by proving the price so I don't have to post that the price was wrong, which resulted in contact being broken off.

I apologize that what I have below is long but I prefer to keep things thorough and detailed, but essentially it's proof that my vehicle did not go for the price I was told and that fraud has taken place. With that aside, just the things they claimed are impossible to have happened and the behavior and attitude are not consistent with someone who is innocent.

Before you read this, you have to understand what you're reading, the facts and apply those first to see what a big fraud this is. It cannot be limited to me, and further, it would likely apply to his agent and any other company they deal with.

*Each portion of my report will be a separate post for easy reading.
[I]PS please refrain from commenting for at least 30 minutes while I post everything, after that point feel free.[/I]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3][U]Statement of Facts:[/U][/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]1) Contacted Derek to purchase a car through auction, Jan 18[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]th[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] 2013, max bid 550,000YEN[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] a ) Was told bid time too late, car went into negotiation, price started at 225,000YEN[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] b) Was told car bought by negotiation for 520,000[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]2) Asked Derek for Auction Invoice from USS Nagoya[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] a) Derek said yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]3) Derek sends a JPC invoice for 520,00YEN, which is not what we asked for.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]4) Ask Derek again to send the actual USS Auction Invoice.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]5) We ask Derek a set of questions from the start, and Derek is vague or doesn’t answer them.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] a) One of the questions is about how the negotiations went, at what increments and how many times back and fourth[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] b) Derek doesn’t answer[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]6) We press Derek for weeks on the matter of the Invoice, Derek states that JPC has it and won’t give it to him or us.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]7) JPC confirms on a phone conversation that car was purchased at 520,000YEN[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]8) Derek stresses that JPC would not lie and is very slow on the matter even though we tell him we have reason and evidence that states otherwise.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]9) We ask him for details of the car purchase[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] a) In a picture of our car at port, there is a paper on the passenger side seat, one is ripped under a another paper. Derek says 4 months later that this is the auction sheet and may have had the price on it, but then Derek states that he doesn’t remember if the auction sheet was on the seat or where it went (despite the picture he took of it).[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] b) We were asking for proof of the negotiated car price from the start, and he had this auction sheet from my car, and yet he never bothered to tell me about this auction sheet.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]10) Derek says many things that are contradictory and inconsistent with the truth.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]11) Derek insists that nothing fishy happened and demands we give him the evidence in order to do something about it and breaks off contact after I confront him for the last time.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]12) Later in his final email to us, he makes the statement that even if there was evidence showing JPC Trade lied, he wouldn’t change how he handled the situation.[/SIZE][/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Summary:[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]I placed a bid with Derek Weldon for an Aristo on Jan 18[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]th[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] 2013 with a max bid price of 550,000YEN. The bid time was apparently missed so the car went into negotiations, he stated the negotiation start price was 225,000YEN. He confirmed twice that was the starting price. Derek has the ability to see what the starting price was on his system but he claimed that he was not watching it even though he claims JPC Trade was new to him. There was a reserve on the car for 400,000 YEN. There is no way they can enter a bid of 225,000Yen when the minimum starting negotiation price of 400,000 is already set. They claimed the car was sold by negotiated sale for 520,000Yen. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]I asked Derek that day for the USS Auction Invoice, he agreed, but later only sent a JPC invoice. Which proves nothing. The actual Auction Invoice is a official document that says what the selling price was. When I pressed the matter with Derek, he came up with excuses that JPC would not give it to him and that it was not common to give this to the customer. Even though the exporters I spoke to all said that if a customer asked for it, they would provide it. I stated to Derek that I had reason to believe that JPC was not being honest and that the car did not go for 520,000YEN, Derek said on many occasions that he had no reason to believe me over JPC. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]When I pressed him further stating that I had proof that the car could not have gone for 520,000Yen he kept demanding it from me but would not answer any of my specific questions, such as what were the increments of the bidding and how many times did it go back and fourth. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]He wouldn’t answer my questions, he delayed the process of getting the invoice and when I became more aggressive on the matter since Derek was more than happily implicating himself, he sent me a forged copy of a Auction invoice. He thought he could lie to me since he figured I could not read this invoice and would not know any better. He mentioned that the recycling fee was there so the invoice was legit. However, he didn’t mention why there was no tax from the Auction House which every transaction has and JPC confirmed they supposedly paid and failed to notice many other tell-tale signs that the invoice was not authentic. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]There was even another lot number from another car on my line for my car. That would never happen. It was clearly a botched Photoshop job. When I demanded a proper copy and answers from both Derek and JPC, he sent me a final response stating aggressively he would not answer any more of my questions which he dodged for 5 months at this point, many of which were vague (eg I don't know/they don't know/they forgot/don't remember) or straight out lies. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]I gave Derek many chances over a span of 5 months. At the end, he didn’t meet any of his deadlines to contact me with proper replies and I would often have to chase him. It was clearly the opposite of the kind Derek I’ve seen on the forums. But he would not answer my calls or return my call, and nor would JPC say anything about what happened in this transaction. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Derek is not new to negotiated sales and knows very well that the original copy of the invoice is given to the customer (he is JPC’s customer and therefore I am entitled to this invoice). After he replied with inconsistencies in his statements, he never once sounded like the Derek I know on the forums when it came to dealing with this invoice situation. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]In his last email to me he claimed he spoke to experts from this industry and after speaking to them saw no reason to believe I had any evidence or that money was stolen. He would call me unethical for asking him to ask JPC to give me the auction invoice. It seemed very clear that he was not going to help me and was stalling as much as he could, by ignoring my questions and for not giving me the invoice for months even though I asked for it on day one.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Derek did a lot of things out of the character we all know him for, after I demanded over and over again for the invoice and that he prove the sale price. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]I pieced it altogether through multiple sources to verify the information I had was correct, including contacting different Exporters, and workers at USS Nagoya, and learning about the process from the inside out, and after getting 2 pieces of key evidence, I have come to the conclusion that Derek Weldon has stolen roughly $1000- $1200CAD (100,000 JPY- 120,000JPY) from me for the negotiated sale of my car. It’s not a lot, but it’s still a considerable theft, and this was just for my car.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]It is hard to believe and for the first few months I believed that it was strictly JPC’s doing, but after many emails I figured out slowly that at best this was a partnership job between JPC and Derek because of his inexpiable actions and behavior towards the situation. His actions and behavior with me aren't consistent of someone who is innocent or unaware that fraud has taken place, considering he sent me a forged invoice and vouched for it and then became hostile and aggressive when I confronted him.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3][U]Breakdown of this Report:[/U][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]In this report, you will find the following[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]1) 2 documents[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]a) [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3][I]A live screenshot of the negotiation starting at 400,000yen which proves that the negotiations did not start from anywhere near 225,000yen and that JPC and Derek lied about the starting price. I've confirmed the price with another insider that the reserve was also 400,000JPY.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]b) [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3][I]The forged Auction Invoice, with no tax charged, another car’s lot number on my line and other obvious issues that proves it is forged.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]2) How negotiations work[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]3) Questions and Answers[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]4) A table of events.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]5) A photo of the auction sheet ripped and in my car, that Derek admits had a 50% chance of having the price on it (he claims he doesn't know if he saw it, got it or where it went despite the fact he took the picture of it himself) and despite the fact that I asked for the proof of the car price the day I won the car.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]It is a lot to take in, and urge members to strongly re-consider if they should do business with him, simply for the reason that I do not know how many of the members here were cheated and it might not necessarily be with only negotiated sale.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3][U]1) See “Forged Invoice”, and read and see “USS documented evidence”)[/U][/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3][U]2) How negotiated Sale works[/U][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]a) The process of negotiation[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]In negotiated Sales the buyer only gets 2 chances to either accept the sellers’ reserve price or counter offer. In my case, the reserve price and starting negotiation price was 400,000YEN which contradicts Derek and JPC’s insistence that it started at 225,000Yen. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]The seller at this point can either accept the 400,000Yen, or if the seller by chance decides to up the price, they normally go up 20,000yen to 30,000yen. JPC can accept or counter. If the seller does not agree, that’s it, JPC is no longer given any more chances to negotiate and the bid goes to the next in line. JPC would not say no to the seller asking for 420,000yen or even 450,000 yen and up the price further to 520,000yen. Which is why, I, and the exporters who have helped me report that the car either went for 400,000yen or 420,000yen. Far from the miraculous 520,000Yen and (just 30,000JPY less than my max bid price).[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]There is no going back and fourth multiple times and in most negotiated sales, the reserve price is often the price the car goes for (in this case I confirmed the reserve price is the same and one as the starting price). Derek suggested negotiations can go through multiple rounds but it doesn’t. He claimed he spoke to experts from the industry and still even after knowing all this he didn’t flinch in denying anything was wrong which ultimately solidifies Derek’s position and involvement.[/SIZE][/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3][U]b) The Auction Invoice (not to be confused with the Auction Sheet)[/U][/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]After a car is sold by negotiations the buyer (JPC) is given an Auction invoice by fax and shortly after a mailed original copy, which states/proves the price that the car was sold for. I asked for this invoice on the same day I placed the bid with Derek. Another copy often has the price on it as well(at least with USS), and that is the Auction Sheet which is left on the passenger side of my car. I have a photo of this paper, which Derek took. There is a paper with what appears to be another paper ripped underneath it in the picture. Derek finally answered that it was the Auction sheet and admits that sometimes it has the price, but in my case he doesn’t remember if the auction sheet was there- even though it’s in the picture. This certainly implicates him, that he knew what the price was otherwise it wouldn't have gone missing and he wouldn't have "forgotten" about it.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3][U]c) There is NO other way of knowing what the sale price was, only the invoice has this.[/U][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Only the seller (who was Honda in Japan and I tracked down) and the buyers (JPC and Derek Weldon). The Auction House keeps no record of this transaction other than the invoice which is given the buyer, and the Auction sheet which Derek saw on my car seat.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]d)[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] In every transaction whether by negotiated sale or not, there are 2 taxes that are charged. The Recycling fee (if applicable as it was in my case) and the tax from the Auction House.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]e)[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3] There is no misunderstanding the car price from the other fees that appears on Derek’s invoice. Derek and JPC both insisted that the car sold by negotiations for 520,000yen (30,000 yen under my maximum). [/SIZE][/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]The evidence shows that the reserve price was 400,000YEN. The buyer would have to either agree or do a counter offer. With a budget of 550,000YEN, JPC had to only agree to the price of 400,000YEN. If by miracle chance the seller decides he wants more, they normally only go up to max 430,000YEN at the highest, at that point the buyer would agree or disagree. If the buyer disagrees, that’s it. He gets no more chances and it moves to the next buyer.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Even if the seller changed his mind and came back with a higher amount, it wouldn't be 520,000YEN and this is per the experience of multiple sources and Exporters.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[U]“[/U][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][U]Forged USS Auction Invoice”[/U][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The 9 Key pieces[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1.) The tax is missing, it should be above the “520,000YEN” but it's not, the real invoice would have this. The lines do extend up but the tax is not there, this means that it was not something that was covered, but just wasn’t there to begin with.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2.) The auction fee is missing, the real invoice will have this charge, and it was not covered up, it is simply missing.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3.) Look at the boxes on the bottom right, they are empty but a real invoice would have them filled in with different totals. There is clearly no paper covering it, unlike other parts so this invoice is not genuine, it would be safe to say that this was literally a blank paper they tried to make into an invoice.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]4.) The 20451 written on the sheet is not meaningless. It's actually the lot number of another vehicle, there's no way this would ever happen with a real invoice (having the number of another car's lot written).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]20451 was also won that day and was a Mustang sold for 150K JPY[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]5.) Look at the top left where it says J P C, company names are ALWAYS written in Japanese on these invoices, not English and JPC is not even their full company name.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]6.) Look at the numbers on the line of my car, the 5's are not all the same and some numbers differ in height. Look at the first 00s in the 520, why are they connected? It has hard to say which ‘5’ or ‘0’ they used to copy and paste.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]7.) All the info for USS contact info is not there- this is impossible for a real Auction Invoice.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]8.) The membership number is missing, it was not an area they covered, and yet it is not there (why not cover it with paper like they apparently did for other parts?)[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]9. Why can't we see the beginning of other lot numbers above? [/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Where is the original auction invoice still?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I asked for the invoice since January 18th, 2013 and have still not received it. What I have received is a forged a poor quality copy as shown above. Derek has still not explained why he won't provide the original, his last reply on this is literally he never finished...literally he stopped before finishing the sentence.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If Derek/JPC can prove that I'm wrong about the price, why not do it after 5 months if I'm so wrong and my concerns are untrue and unfounded?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The answer is simple, it takes 5 minutes to scan it, yet after 5 months they have refused to provide it. Ask any reputable Exporter what they think or what they would do if asked for it and what it means when a company does not provide it?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The only proof we do have is a poor quality and attempt to forge an auction invoice, so clearly the price is not correct.[/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][U]They lied about the true starting price of negotiations (it started at 400K and not 225K)[/U][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Aside from this screenshot, multiple independent sources confirmed the same number, that the negotiations started at 400K JPY.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Another very damning fact is, any Exporter who has any experience with negotiations and knows the process would know that it's a miracle if not impossible for a car to go from 225K to 520K in negotiations.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]You will see time and time again that I am told the Starting Negotiation Price is 225K JPY (this is far different and irrelevant from the final bid/unsold price at auction). As you can see in the screenshot below that USS Members have (which would be Derek's agent), there is no mistaking that negotiations start at 400K JPY. Incidentally the reserve price (this is the price had the car been bidded on that it would have gone for is almost certain or close to what the actual sale price was). This is for a few reasons, the mileage is higher, the max bid of 550K, the seller would likely have accepted 400K or maybe would have asked for a little more (eg. 20 or 30K). This may not be obvious to the casual reader but anyone who knows the business and negotiation process, knows from experience that the supposed sale price is almost impossible to be true, based on the situation alone.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Why would Derek and his agent lie about the true starting price and not answer (other than we forgot or don't know) how the negotiations went? I think it's quite simple, because mentally you wouldn't want to talk about the 400K.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]See the screenshot below (from a source with direct USS access), proving the car started negotiations at 400K JPY[/FONT]








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[U]Break Down of Events[/U]


[I]This is getting to the nitty gritty of details. Its’ a break down of when and what happened.[/I]

[I]*Sorry I have to upload the PDF (the formatting makes it impossible to paste here).

[URL="http://jdmvip.com/Breakdown-based%20off%20emails.pdf"]Click here for the PDF[/URL]
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[U]Questions you might have?[/U]


What does it mean to buy a car from a negotiated sale?
Answer:


(See “How Negotiation’s work” for more details)


When a car goes to a negotiated sale, it's because the seller put a reserve amount on the car and that amount was not met in the bidding process (otherwise it would have sold for that price automatically). The final bid price during the auction is not the starting price for negotiations. In my car’s case, the reserve was 400k and so was the starting negotiation price. This means that he is looking for the minimum of 400k for his car. Because Derek never answered exactly in what increments the negotiations went, we have to assume a lot about what the initial offer and the counter offer were (aside from the fact we know it started for 400K which likely would have been accepted and if not, a slightly higher counter-offer).


The only question Derek answered properly early on was the ending bid price (this is not the sale price nor is it the starting negotiation price), Derek says it’s 225k (as explained and proven, it was 400K and that also happened to be the reserve price the seller wanted). I asked for details of the negotiation, I asked for this numerous times. I realized later why he didn’t want to answer these questions, because it would make it obvious that fraud had taken place and that he was a part of it.


Derek already knows how negotiated car sales go, so if the buyer only gets 2 chances to make an offer, that means if the car did start at 225, the seller had to have ignored JPC’s offer and went up extremely quickly (it's not possible or likely) and would be more than a miracle even from a start of 400K. No seller would do this because they risk the buyer saying no, and if he says no; the negotiation stops there. This is impossible.


Counter offers are usually in lower increments such as 20K on a car like mine, so if the reserve price is 400k then the most it went up (if it did) was 420k. Of course, if Derek had answered my questions at this point, he would be revealing this truth, which is why he didn’t answer them until 4 months later; where his only answer was ‘I don’t know, they don’t remember’.


Derek’s agent JPC entered the negotiated sale most likely agreeing to the 400k. The seller can counter offer at this point. The seller might have said 420k. The buyer (JPC) most likely accepted the counter offer. Because if they countered and the seller said no, the negotiations would end.


After the car is won, in my case most likely 400k, the Auction House prepares the only piece of real evidence of the sale price- the Auction Invoice. Which is then faxed and mailed to the buyer (JPC). Derek has done negotiated sales before, and has received the Auction Invoice in these cases (he even provided me a copy of one he had from before) but he asserts later in his emails that companies don’t normally like to give these out- which isn’t true, since in his early emails he states that he will get the Invoice and he will send it to me.




Doesn’t Derek stating early that he will send the Auction Invoice and then later saying that he can’t get it be a good indicator that he’s not at fault and had nothing to do with this?


Answer:
In the beginning I did not suspect Derek would be a part of this because he seemed genuine when he told me in his early emails that he was asking JPC Trade for the Auction Invoice, but from the start Derek was exhibiting inconsistencies. What he was saying was not matching with what I knew he had knowledge on. Derek not treating the price issue going from 225k to 520k was a huge problem for me. Even though he states that he will stop using JPC Trade if they don’t send the invoice made me feel like he was to be trusted but the fact that he was so slow about contacting JPC and demanding it more firmly, made me very nervous. His complacency with JPC’s excuses and his lack of action was why I doubted him more and more through our interaction.


I felt through the entire time I was dealing with him, he was more in contact with me about the smaller issues (like getting my tires, selling some parts etc) than the Auction Invoice. His lack of response/ updates and action on the Auction Invoice really did alarm me . As I pressed on, I think Derek most likely thought that the JPC Trade invoice would be enough, even though he must have known that nothing can replace that Auction Invoice. Even knowing that, he still tried to pass this JPC invoice as ‘proof enough’.


The biggest indicator for me that he was a part of the fraud with JPC Trade, was when he firmly suggested that accusing JPC Trade of wrongdoing was unethical to do, when it should have been the other way around. It is extremely unethical for JPC Trade to not provide the Auction Invoice to the customer. When Derek changed his position, I essentially confirmed he was involved and was glad that I did not provide him with any of my evidence early on.


I knew that he was 100% involved when Derek sent me the forged copy of the Auction invoice passing it off as authentic and vouching for its validity.




Could Derek have not known what was happening with the car during negotiated sale and just believed JPC?


Answer:
Derek is familiar with Negotiated sales since he has done them before. He claimed that he had only been using JPC for a month. Derek said that they would be entering the negotiations starting at 225k, he never once mentioned anything about the starting price which he would know about since he has done this before and because he claims he has ASNET access.


He emailed me back stating that the car was won for 520k.


We know that negotiated sales only give you 2 chances to agree to an offer. If JPC had entered the bid at 225k, whatever the seller said back would not have been a jump to 500k. And of course Derek would know this. He knew that it is very unlikely that a bid price of 225k would jump all the way to 520k. This should have been enough to make Derek question JPC more harshly then he had. He also did not bother to watch the car and see if there was a reserve price which he could see himself. He knows what a black hole negotiated sales are, and yet he didn’t think to keep an eye on things. I don’t believe this claim of course, since it would prove to show how irresponsible Derek is when managing his customer’s cars.


When Derek learned that the starting price for negotiations was 225k and yet the car was bought for 520k, he should have been more than suspicious. He did do a good share of acting like he was also concerned, but yet was not jumping on JPC’s case to get answers and demand himself without me asking for the Auction Invoice.


But in his emails you can see he is trying to help, right?


Answer:
In the beginning when the car was bought and I asked for the Auction Invoice, I did not suspect Derek was involved at all, considering his honest reputation on the forums and very happy customers. I suspected JPC alone was involved. Derek appeared to be emailing them, although to this day he has not sent me more than a handful of BCC’s of his conversation with JPC. All other contact he had was never sent to me. He also stated a few times that if JPC did not send the Auction Invoice that he would stop using them. Of course, as the days became months and I did not drop the issue and was not satisfied with his lack of action; Derek changed his position very fast. As the cards stacked up and evidence started to pool in for me that Derek might also be on this, I refrained from showing him any of my evidence. No customer should have to provide anything to an agent in order to get an invoice. It is the duty of the exporter to provide the invoice.


I did suspect Derek was in on it, since he seemed to be acting dumb when it came to certain things that set off alarm bells for me about my car transaction but didn’t seem to set off any alarm bells for him.


It wasn’t until Derek sent me a forged copy of the Auction Invoice and vouched for its validity, that I knew Derek was involved. To this day, I do not know how much money Derek stole from my car, but I know that he is guilty. He ended communication when I sent him my final email, and didn’t bother to prove to me how much my parts sold for or answer questions about that.




Derek is saying that it’s difficult to get the Auction invoice from the exporter, why not accept this?:


Answer:
It is [U]not [/U]difficult to get the Auction Invoice from from an exporter. Most exporters would provide the invoice if asked during a negotiated sale. And if they don’t want to, then there is a big problem. This is not an internal document and Derek stating that most companies don’t send it, is clearly not true. I contacted several other exporters, and they all stated that if asked by the customer to provide, they would provide the Auction invoice. Derek himself has received the Auction Invoice after negotiated sales so he knows how this works but he is telling me otherwise.


Derek provided me a copy of an Auction Invoice himself in effort to show me that the forged copy he was sending was real, but it proved that a mailed copy is always given to the purchaser of the car, but stated that the invoices are always faxed. His contradictions carry on throughout the 4 months of my contact with him. No customer should ever just accept what their exporter says is the price without proof, no matter how kind of a person he may appear to be.




What does this ‘paper’ on the passenger side of your car have anything to do with this?


Answer:
In one of the pictures Derek took and provided, there is a paper on the seat on the passenger side (please look at picture). This piece of paper only appears in one shot of the passenger seat and disappears for the other set of passenger seat pictures.


I asked Derek about this piece of paper after learning that this paper is the Auction sheet and it might have the selling price written on it. Derek admits that this is the Auction Sheet and it sometimes has the selling price from negotiations written on the bottom. He says he can’t remember if the the Auction sheet was in my car, or if it had the price written on it. And yet, there the auction sheet is in the picture, and the price most certainly was on it, because it was toren off and turned it over when he took the picture. He offered no explanation about what happened to the Auction Sheet that was in my car. Normally exporters sent this Auction Sheet to the customer and yet Derek claims he can’t remember what happened with it or where it went.


So doesn’t that mean the price wasn’t on the Auction sheet and that’s why he never told you about it?


Answer:
It would be perfectly acceptable to think that way, but by this time; Derek had told me too many inconsistent things. And normally any other exporter just sends this Auction Sheet copy to the customer.


He first tells me that the paper in the picture is the Auction sheet and sometimes has the price written on it, but then tells me he’s not sure if that was in my case. If it ever had the alleged price of 520,000k I would think he would jump on it to show me there is some proof that the price is 520k. There is no good reason why he didn’t’ include this auction sheet in my package, nor what happened to it after.


So why get rid of the Auction sheet and not send it to me? Because it most likely had the price of 400k written on it. Derek just didn’t think I would ever find out what was on the car seat since it’s such a specific detail.


What is the difference between a JPC invoice and a Auction invoice?


Answer:
This JPC invoice is something JPC makes themselves and proves nothing. The Auctions Invoice is the only true document that shows what the real price was because it comes as an official document from the Auction house.


Derek knew what the difference between a JPC invoice and USS Auction invoice would mean. A JPC invoice was useless essentially because it’s a internally made document that they make themselves. The USS Auction Invoice is a document directly from the auction house that has the declaration of what the selling price actually was. This is the only document that can prove the price of a negotiated car sale.


[I]It’s okay for Derek to ask for your proof first isn’t it? Why didn’t you just give it to him?[/I]


[I]Answer:[/I]
Derek went from agreeing early on to send the Auction invoice and then sending me a JPC invoice, to stating I was being unethical to accuse JPC and that it was on my onus to send him proof before he did anything.


He wanted to know what I have in order for him to do anything about it, but after 4 months, he admits that no matter what I would have sent it would not have changed a thing- which means this email he sent was just for lip service and held no meaning other than he just wanted to know how badly he was caught. I didn’t send Derek the proof I had because I suspected Derek was a part of this fraud. When Derek sent me a photoshopped copy of the Auction Invoice and vouched for his validity, I knew he was 100% involved.


No matter what, no customer should have to provide proof of wrongdoing in order to get the Auction Invoice. It is your right as a customer to get that invoice in a negotiated sale because you need to see what your car really went for and if the exporter is making a mark up.


In my case, JPC and Derek did make a mark up.




[I]I still don’t get what happened?[/I]


[I]Answer:[/I]
When a car is being sold through the normal auction process, you as a customer can look up and see what the price was that it sold for from auctions. However, in a negotiated sale, you can’t look it up. The only way to know what the price the car went for in a negotiated sale, is the Auction invoice. Which is a document the Auction House makes and send to the exporter.


Any reputable exporter will give you a copy of the invoice if you ask for it. If they don’t, there is obviously a problem.


Why is there a problem?


Lets use this simple example. You ask me to build you a computer, and agree to pay for the cost of my parts plus me fee. You tell me your budget for parts is $1000. I go and buy your parts and build your computer and then send you a bill. I say the parts cost $900.


Then you ask for the receipt for the parts because you agreed to pay for the cost of the parts. I tell you then, you have to prove that I didn’t pay $900 for parts before I show you the receipt.


Now if you think logically, this makes no sense. When you purchase a car through an exporter, you agree to pay for the cost of the car, and then their fees. The car should NEVER have a mark up. In my case, Derek and JPC made a mark up on my car and charged me as if they bought the car for 520K when they didn’t, and then tried to cover it up when I placed more pressure on them.




What did the car sell for then?
Answer:


Most certainly it was 400,000yen, at the most 420,000yen if the seller decided he wanted a little more. It’s impossible to go from 225k to 520k in the 2 chances you get in a negotiated sale.


We know the reserve price is 400k which is most likely what the car sold for.


So the total Derek and JPC made on mark up for my car was 120,000yen.


Maybe it was all just JPC and Derek is a victim too?


Answer:
Derek as a person on the forums is honest good person, with most customers pretty happy with their experience with him. However, because hes’ built a imagine of honesty for himself, most customers may not question him, or if they do see something wrong, they are not likely to report it or review it simply because they might be afraid of any backlash on the forums, as he did try hard to persuade me not to post about my experience.


I want to take this opportunity and state, that when I contacted a handful of his customers, some had no issues and some had issues but didn’t bring it up simply because they were worried about back lash. In each case, I encouraged and still encourage people to not be afraid of any such thing, and to review fully and honestly about their experience with any exporter.




How do you know this Auction Invoice copy is forged?


Answer:
Please see the “Forged Auction Invoice” .


Why won’t JPC and Derek Show the Original Auction Invoice?


Answer:
From the start it should have taken only a few minutes to do, to send even a legible copy of the Auction Invoice to me. But both JPC and Derek had no interest and really had no intention from the start to send it.


They didn’t want to send the original Auction invoice and still won’t because the price on the auction invoice is not 520k. It has always been the only piece of evidence that can confirm what the selling price was and they never sent it, only a poor quality forged document.

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As referred to earlier:

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JDMVIP-Gate! getting ripped off sucks! hope it doesn't keep you from enjoying your car.

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I wanted to put this at the end, in order to keep it in perspective.

My information came from multiple sources including ones not related to this site (I believe some of them still don't know this site :cool:).

Some are my wife's friends and all came back with the same information (one had inside Auction House access and another one was an employee).

All but one of my multiple sources declined to be publicly named, and some cited concerns about retaliation.

I would like to say that Steve Sastrad from SASTRAD helped in part with verifying what other sources had confirmed, without knowing what was going on and without knowing the details of my situation.

What he's doing here by letting me announce him as a source is putting himself out there to retaliation, but he saw this situation with Derek and JPC as too huge to go ignored when I did finally tell him that I have issue with the car price.

For my other sources, I'm not sure if any of them have come back to read, but I like to thank them, especially my wife's friends who are employee's of the Auction House for putting their jobs at risk to get this information to me. I appreciate what you have done and the amount of effort and resolve it took to do it.

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PS you guys can post now, it looks like 61ihc beat me though lol.

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[quote=61ihc;75387]JDMVIP-Gate! getting ripped off sucks! hope it doesn't keep you from enjoying your car.[/quote]
Thanks, I was enjoying Aristo when it was running, but it has electric issues that need sorting still, but to be fair, that's not the fault of Pacific Coast JDM or JPC (though I bet the seller knew of these issues as it has had its share of weird electric problems) :eek:

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I know how it is for me. If I were in your shoes the Aristo would keep reminding me of the poor experience of being had. Hope you're mentally tougher than I would be.

I guess at this point it's a matter of warning others not retribution or refunds huh?

Sorry to hear about your experience.

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For the record, I would also like to state that I tried to convince you not to post this, and that you found my issues with the story distasteful, but since you have posted it here, I'll give appropiate public feedback.
1. I'm vey glad that you have put so much work into this, so that your feelings on the matter and the suppositions and assumptions you make throughout can be tied together.
2. I am glad that you have named Steve in this, even though it is a toothless witness, that knows not the specificity of the situation, I would have much rather seen a witness who will publicly stand out and call Derek a fraud, such as you have here.
3. It appears that much of what you post in this situation comes from a theory that became proven out of bitterness and assumption, such as in the case of Derek mentioning that the nego's start at 225k, and that they actually started at 400k, but the reality is that the number of 225k wasn't made up, it was the last bid of the auction. In this case, Derek becomes a liar, and not that it is a simple mistake or misapplication. Another example of this lack of grace would be where you mention that he has forged an invoice for JPC, when all it looks like is a piece of paper placed over some details when it was scanned/copied. This isn't forgery, it is a common business practice. I do owe it to you to get a closer look at this though, I'm currently on a tablet.
4. There still is no proof. If there was, you would know exactly how much the car went for. You mention that it went for 400k or 420k. That isn't the amount of sureity I
would want to have when accusing a guy of a myriad of heinous crimes. To be satisfied that a crime was committed against you I would want to see actual proof.
5. You take exasperation as proof of guilt, but the types of responses and requests you require of Derek, well, they are tiring and petty. I know in business, I would have stopped responding long before he did. Now that I am in the trades, I can tell you with confidence, that you would get a much more curt and inpleasant response, consisting of words that exist to allow clergy to blush, or tradesmen to believe that they have repurposed foul acronyms to verbs.
5. I find it strange and hard to believe that your wife has frinds that work for the auction house, but make no mistake, I only mention this because it stands out to me, I will not say, as you do above, that it is impossible (you mention the bid process as such, above) because it is totally possible, I don't know your wife, and have no basis for knowing your social circles, or even world connections. I can understand and appreciate this - you would be shocked at.some of the strange connections I have too I guess.
6. I would really love to see William, Mark, and Steve weigh in on this publically, but certainly would not ask them to. In fact, I believe that I am happy to be the only one to fall on the sword here to question the witch hunt.
7. I am on the fence as to whether I would like to see Derek to weigh in on the situation, because I am not sure it benefits him in any way, as I have said earlier, conjecture does not.equal proof. You may have a form somewhere that provss it, but again, due to the vagueness of your figures, I doubt it; but all you have posted here is conjecture.
This is getting pretty cumbersome on the tablet, so I think I will stop there. I will most certainly challenge this conclusion you have drawn though, until I see proof, as in, actual proof.
When and if that comes out, then I'll gladly admit you got taken.

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I would like to hear Derek's side to this, for me though when I placed my bid for my type r for 275,000 yen it sold for 282,000 yen (which it actually did, I took a screenshot when it sold) and he offered to pay the difference of cost. which was $120 back then.
Also when I bought a part from him, roughly a $500 mugen header. well he wrapped it up and sent it to me right away, and he didn't make the invoice for it, so I waited a bit to see if he would remember, which he didn't so later on I sent another reminder and he finally made the invoice.
I'm interested in hearing other peoples issues if they had any.

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Actually to add, Derek recently paid for my Aristo out of his.pocket, and still does not have my money, even though arrangements have been made, tha auction house has ot's money already.
On another car, Derek sent money to me directly once I had it in my possession, because of an issue that was bigger than expected, and he felt badly, and wanted to take full responsibilty for it. I even offered to set it up so thatwe could do a discount on fees for a few cars, and then go back to regular fees. Derek lost pretty big there, and it comes down to the integrity I expect when I deal with him. In one sense, the money he paid out was almost as much as VIP is sure he got ripped off, so, by extension, I have VIPs money and therefore I ripped him off.

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[QUOTE=Soren;75395]
2. I am glad that you have named Steve in this, even though it is a toothless witness, that knows not the specificity of the situation, I would have much rather seen a witness who will publicly stand out and call Derek a fraud, such as you have here.

6. I would really love to see William, Mark, and Steve weigh in on this publically, but certainly would not ask them to. In fact, I believe that I am happy to be the only one to fall on the sword here to question the witch hunt.
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I was asked if my name could be made public. I stand up for what I have disclosed to Areeb. We were not asked to give an opinion, but state fact. We were asked to research the auction sheet, starting negotiation amount (400,000 yen confirmed by calling the USS Nagoya auction ourselves), and a set of questions regarding the negotiation process, all of which are stated in these posts.

We were also asked a set of questions on how we operate. One question is that when asked, we are more than happy to provide auction invoices. In fact, we had one client even come to Japan over the past weekend to oversee the loading of his container. We offered to show the auction invoice, and provided it to him as the vehicle is a very expensive purchase. This vehicle was not bought by negotiated sale.

My staff and I all looked at the auction invoice provided, studied it and found inconsistencies that make us doubt its authenticity. We stated what is normally on an auction invoice and I believe we even provided an auction invoice from USS Nagoya as an example. From that alone, I stated that we questioned the validity of the provided scan.

Its plain to see that this is not a "witch hunt", as its being described, but a recount of facts, and subsequently thoughts, on the experience of a single purchase. Frankly speaking, it comes down to the questionable auction invoice provided to the end-user (Areeb) via the broker (Pacific), the actions of the broker toward the end-user, and some facts that suggest fraud.

Personally, I feel Areeb has shown in detail what transpired. And from what he has provided, I would draw the same conclusions as he does. I stand by this till proven otherwise.

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Hi Soren, fair enough although at the time you supported Derek without seeing the whole story and now that the proof is here, it's still more of the same. As I expected, no amount of proof will sway you, this would be acceptable for a casual member, but you know I take serious concern and issue with this. Your defense of Pacific Coast JDM is that you had a good experience, I know others did too but your purchases were not made by negotiation.

1.) I'm not sure what is assumed about screenshots and pointing out a forgery because the forged Auction Invoice he sent me doesn't seem to matter to you. It is you who is making uneducated and baseless assumptions and I mean no offense.
2.) SASTRAD is the only one that went public, the point is that multiple independent sources verify the same thing. I don't see how your comments about him are fair or relevant to proving or disproving what's happened.
3.) Soren you are incorrect and are misunderstanding. The final bid price at auction was 225K, [I]the final bid price and starting negotiation price are two completely different things[/I] but you've assumed them to be the same. He said the starting price of negotiations is 225K, that is not true and is a lie according to the screenshot of the true starting price being 400K.

Regarding the Auction Invoice, you are again mistaken, I am not talking about what is covered up. There is a whole list there of what's wrong and I don't know how else to say it, but you're misunderstanding what it is supposed to look like, and you're doing this all based on the assumption of his innocence.
4.) If there is proof to the contrary why haven't I received it and why have I caught him in many lies?
5.) I think you're missing the point, none of my questions were new, they were repeated because he was not responding to them and at the end most of them still weren't answered. Besides that, where is the original auction invoice in high quality to prove the price is right that he promised from day one? Please explain.
5.) (you have it as a second 5.) You can think what you like but the proof is the proof. I find it strange that you're still defending Derek and have from the start simply because you identify with him and have had a good experience, you insist myself or anyone else who says the opposite is wrong. Again, this has nothing to do with the proof, do you have the original auction invoice per chance (based on your assertions?).
6.) You would be right if Derek had provided proof and hadn't broken off contact, other than a forged auction invoice.
7.)You're ignoring the facts and making your own assumptions my friend and that is distasteful in a case of fraud and does nothing for our members. I have no idea why you'd want to hear from other Exporters but not Derek. I think you've outed yourself here as a very biased source on this issue and you seem to have little or no concern over this issue due to your friendship. If this were another particular Exporter, I guarantee your response would be different and for the record, this is my concern and has been since this issue started.

As for proof, clearly no amount will change it for you unless Derek tells you it's true.:eek:

I doubt we'll agree on anything more and question what contact you two are having as you are essentially his spokesperson it seems? I firmly believed from the start that the world would not be enough for you for whatever reason and I haven't seen any actions based on logic that show otherwise.

I believe your treatment of me and judgment of others is based off everything but the facts.

I don't see anything more to discuss, what I have proves the price is wrong and Derek has declined to prove me wrong and cut off contact.

I take serious issue that you're implying my post here is based off emotion and a lack of facts, when it's the very opposite and that you repeatedly ignore and misconstrue/misunderstand the facts. As you recall, your first assumption was that I misread the price or misunderstood the fees, I see it's always a case of me being wrong even with proof lol.

I apologize if my wording sounds off, but I'm trying to be to the point so we don't waste our time, I've already spent months dealing with this issue and Derek.

[quote=Soren;75395]For the record, I would also like to state that I tried to convince you not to post this, and that you found my issues with the story distasteful, but since you have posted it here, I'll give appropiate public feedback.
1. I'm vey glad that you have put so much work into this, so that your feelings on the matter and the suppositions and assumptions you make throughout can be tied together.
2. I am glad that you have named Steve in this, even though it is a toothless witness, that knows not the specificity of the situation, I would have much rather seen a witness who will publicly stand out and call Derek a fraud, such as you have here.
3. It appears that much of what you post in this situation comes from a theory that became proven out of bitterness and assumption, such as in the case of Derek mentioning that the nego's start at 225k, and that they actually started at 400k, but the reality is that the number of 225k wasn't made up, it was the last bid of the auction. In this case, Derek becomes a liar, and not that it is a simple mistake or misapplication. Another example of this lack of grace would be where you mention that he has forged an invoice for JPC, when all it looks like is a piece of paper placed over some details when it was scanned/copied. This isn't forgery, it is a common business practice. I do owe it to you to get a closer look at this though, I'm currently on a tablet.
4. There still is no proof. If there was, you would know exactly how much the car went for. You mention that it went for 400k or 420k. That isn't the amount of sureity I
would want to have when accusing a guy of a myriad of heinous crimes. To be satisfied that a crime was committed against you I would want to see actual proof.
5. You take exasperation as proof of guilt, but the types of responses and requests you require of Derek, well, they are tiring and petty. I know in business, I would have stopped responding long before he did. Now that I am in the trades, I can tell you with confidence, that you would get a much more curt and inpleasant response, consisting of words that exist to allow clergy to blush, or tradesmen to believe that they have repurposed foul acronyms to verbs.
5. I find it strange and hard to believe that your wife has frinds that work for the auction house, but make no mistake, I only mention this because it stands out to me, I will not say, as you do above, that it is impossible (you mention the bid process as such, above) because it is totally possible, I don't know your wife, and have no basis for knowing your social circles, or even world connections. I can understand and appreciate this - you would be shocked at.some of the strange connections I have too I guess.
6. I would really love to see William, Mark, and Steve weigh in on this publically, but certainly would not ask them to. In fact, I believe that I am happy to be the only one to fall on the sword here to question the witch hunt.
7. I am on the fence as to whether I would like to see Derek to weigh in on the situation, because I am not sure it benefits him in any way, as I have said earlier, conjecture does not.equal proof. You may have a form somewhere that provss it, but again, due to the vagueness of your figures, I doubt it; but all you have posted here is conjecture.
This is getting pretty cumbersome on the tablet, so I think I will stop there. I will most certainly challenge this conclusion you have drawn though, until I see proof, as in, actual proof.
When and if that comes out, then I'll gladly admit you got taken.[/quote]

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[quote=silent112;75396]I would like to hear Derek's side to this, for me though when I placed my bid for my type r for 275,000 yen it sold for 282,000 yen (which it actually did, I took a screenshot when it sold) and he offered to pay the difference of cost. which was $120 back then.
Also when I bought a part from him, roughly a $500 mugen header. well he wrapped it up and sent it to me right away, and he didn't make the invoice for it, so I waited a bit to see if he would remember, which he didn't so later on I sent another reminder and he finally made the invoice.
I'm interested in hearing other peoples issues if they had any.[/quote]
Thanks your feedback, it's such good reviews that made me feel comfortable to go with him, but I'd like to kindly point out the difference in our experiences.

Your purchase was a normal bid, you can lookup the price. As mentioned, my Aristo was won by negotiation (there's no independent way to verify the price), there's no way to see in the system what the price is. The only proof is the Auction Invoice that Derek sent which I've confirmed from multiple sources is not original, not authentic and has been forged. I've seen the difference myself from multiple sources and Exporters of what an original USS Nagoya invoice looks like, and the only way to prove the price is that invoice. If you searched for a car that went by negotiation it will just say "sold by talks/negotiation".

I definitely appreciate that many have a good experience, but those people had cars which didn't go through negotiation, it's a crime of opportunity and now a secret that many might know (there are other Agents in Japan who do this and most customers don't know this).:eek:

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[quote=61ihc;75393]I know how it is for me. If I were in your shoes the Aristo would keep reminding me of the poor experience of being had. Hope you're mentally tougher than I would be.

I guess at this point it's a matter of warning others not retribution or refunds huh?

Sorry to hear about your experience.[/quote]
I just want to make sure that this does not happen to anyone else, which is why I went this far.

My main concern is protecting our members, a paying Sponsor has no right to be here if they are engaged in fraud or dishonesty.

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I've seen a couple cars that would have sold through negotiation, which always frustrates me because some cars I would have liked to know what they sold to so I could base future bids from previously bought cars.
Also what I wanted to know was how would a car get to a negotiation stage? Is it when the bid is below the minimum amount that they want for it?
Also, if the car did sell for 420, or 400, then why wouldn't they say it sold for 540 or 550, and get every penny out of you they could. What I"m trying to say is that I personally don't think Derek comes across as a greedy guy to me, judging by all the emails me alone used to send him before purchasing my first RHD car, and how fast he would respond sometimes at 6AM his time or even late at night like 12 or 1AM, I get the impression that he works more then 40 hours a week sometimes.

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I will have a post to respond to this within time.

I encourage everyone to not jump to conclusions like JDMVIP has. There is always more to it than one side is willing to offer.

What JDMVIP is doing is, in my view, meritless. His communication toward me was not conducive to finding a solution to the problem.

Had he and I worked together to find a solution, there would have been no troubles. Instead, there was no cooperation on his part.

What JDMVIP has posted is a very long account of the situation and I might not have time to sift through it immediately.

What JDMVIP has done is convinced himself that there was a problem and looked for information to confirm that his hunch was true. Meanwhile, only putting credibility in arguments against me and not ones that would benefit me.

What he has done is an extreme ethical taboo. He used poor judgement and and a disregard for the well being of other people. Too bad he has nothing to lose, and I have plenty. My opinion of JDMVIP as a person has certainly changed through this ordeal and I will no longer trust him as a source for accurate information.

I encourage everyone else to consider that.

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In case anyone was wondering, I am Derek from Pacific Coast Auto. I am the owner and director. My sponsorship logo has been stripped from my account on JDMVIP. Considering the verdict on this is not out and I believe there is no scam, I find it is a step too far to strip the sponsorship now.

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I have yet to take a side until I hear both sides of the story. But I do agree that so quickly removing the sponsored forum privilege(s) was done ass backwards. If it was another members complaint we would wait to hear both sides, hear what the community thinks, and then go from there. Speaking from experience as an admin of my own forum, I likely would have done the same thing, but taking a step back and seeing it from a members point of view it is unfair.

Edit: My other question, is what difference does it make if negotiations started at 2xx,000 yen or 400,000 yen? This seemed to be a huge focus of these posts. If anything, it starting at 400k yen makes it more believable that it would sell for 525k yen vs it jumping from 2xxk to 525k. I didn't quite catch it reading through everything, but is there actual proof of the car selling for 425k and not 525k? Or is it just an assumption based on unexplained (to be fair, in a really shitty timeframe) things.

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Hi Derek

I'm glad we are having some communication after weeks. If you personally do not like me, this is one thing but is no excuse and not relevant to the issue or the facts. But it is another thing to commit fraud and to ignore a customer who is asking that you prove the sale price for 6 months now, and then find wrongdoing with them. If you had provided proof then I would agree with your statements. Attacking my character is not a valid defense and does not justify fraud.

My only response to what you've said is that you're attempting to misdirect attention away from the facts and defame me. You may have fooled a few people, as you initially fooled me but the facts speak for themselves.

I prefer to stick to the facts, as I've requested from day one and as you've promised, please provide the original Auction Invoice if I am wrong and respond in a factual manner and stick to the facts alone.

I have nothing to gain by asking for proof of the sale price or exposing the fraud except the knowledge that I'm helping and protecting others. The Sponsorship money is inconsequential compared to what has happened here.

I invite you to produce a high resolution copy of the original Auction Invoice and prove the sale price.

Your post here is more of the same, spending more time accusing me of wrongdoing than proving the price since you've said you don't want me posting about it.

I believe the facts stand on their own, aside from your actions.

Thank you and I invite you again to produce the original USS Nagoya auction Invoice in high resolution. If you suddenly decide you want to prove me wrong and prove the sale price, then you will have my sincere apologies and more and a complete retraction of everything I posted as I stated before.

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[quote=Braden;75414]I have yet to take a side until I hear both sides of the story. But I do agree that so quickly removing the sponsored forum privilege(s) was done ass backwards. If it was another members complaint we would wait to hear both sides, hear what the community thinks, and then go from there. Speaking from experience as an admin of my own forum, I likely would have done the same thing, but taking a step back and seeing it from a members point of view it is unfair.[/quote]
Thanks for your feedback Braden, this was not done in haste and I've had this information since my purchase in January, I gave Derek 6 months of time to resolve it. If I wanted to, I could have suspended his sponsorship in January citing issues with fraud.

Derek had 6 months to prove me wrong and did not, and the evidence proves the price is not correct.

If you're implying this is a personal issue, it is certainly not. It's a simple issue that takes 2 minutes to resolve (scan and send the invoice).

The other main reason for taking down his sponsorship which I had decided to do the day I posted my review, was because I did not want to put another member in a similar situation. I don't benefit from losing a sponsor on this site.

I had to make a choice, like I have with other situations that arise with sponsors, there are certain exporters who have come to me to buy sponsorship and I flat out refuse it if there are complaints with fraud.

I don't find my action unfair, as it is merited and Derek has been performing business as usual for the past 6 months on this site.

I think members of this site can appreciate that I did some serious work here to get to the bottom of this, to make sure that I had collected and confirmed everything before I posted this. I don't think anyone realizes how much digging that requires, patience and investigation. I didn't just decide to do this over night and didn't decide for personal reasons.

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[quote=Derek;75413]In case anyone was wondering, I am Derek from Pacific Coast Auto. I am the owner and director. My sponsorship logo has been stripped from my account on JDMVIP. Considering the verdict on this is not out and I believe there is no scam, I find it is a step too far to strip the sponsorship now.[/quote]
It is true that you were [U]suspended[/U] as announced for very obvious reasons. As you know I gave you many opportunities these past [U]6 months[/U] to prove your innocence and your response was to get hostile, aggressive and break off contact.

You had 6 months to prove the price and only used a forged invoice to do it but committing fraud is a serious issue as I hope you may appreciate.

As a customer which I think you are forgetting that I am, you put me through a great deal of stress and had me working overtime staying up on Japanese time to investigate what you were doing. And you're only defense is you attacking my character and that this is some kind of conspiracy.

If you miraculously suddenly decide to prove me wrong and do what you've agreed to, then you'll get have an apology and more, you have my word as I've stated time and time again.

Please do not [U]misdirect[/U] the situation and stick to the facts.
There's no benefit to me in losing you as a Sponsor.

Thank you Derek.

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My exiting thoughts, as I realize I don't need to be sticking my nose in stuff that's not my business anyway.

The issue I'm running into (i'm sure others are as well), is I like you Areeb, you're a cool cat. But I also like Derek- I enjoy(ed) the random PM's and emails he took time out of his busy day to write me and shoot the shit with me. I consider you both a friend. When I saw the title of this thread you were the [I]last[/I] person I expected to be the OP. From what I have read and understood, you did your research, presented a strong case, and by the sounds of it, this has been a long time coming.

The only other thing that I'm bothered with, as I understand it, is negotiations started at 400k yen, and from what you figure, the car was won at 420k yen (not the 520k yen you were billed for). Why would the seller even bother accepting an offer of a mere ~$210 over starting negotiation price?

Again, I like you, I like Derek, and it bothers me that this possibly happened, it seems out of character for him. But since the fact remains I personally like the both of you, I need to remain neutral until I hear both sides. Not that what I think matters anyways :)

I hope this gets sorted out, I wish the best to both of you.

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[QUOTE=Braden;75418]

The only thing that I'm bothered with, as I understand it, is negotiations started at 400k yen, and from what you figure, the car was won at 420k yen (not the 520k yen you were billed for). Why would the seller even bother accepting an offer of a mere ~$210 over starting negotiation price?[/QUOTE]

I am happy to help with this one, as any exporter can answer this question. I will not use this case as a point of discussion but use another example instead.

When a negotiation price is given, let's say, 100,000 yen. That can be the starting point of negotiation. If the buyer thinks they are willing to give more, but wants to try their luck at the lowest possible start price, they put in the minimum amount.

I have done negotiation with the starting negotiation price and won the vehicle for the same price. I have also done negotiation with the starting negotiation price, and the auction calls back to tell me the seller wants a different amount.

So, the negotiation start price can either be the minimum reserve the seller is willing to sell at, or the seller can ask for more, and it could be any amount higher.

I don't know if that helps clear up your question.

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Hi everyone,

I don't normally post so nobody really knows me, but I am JDMVIP's wife. And I am essentially the person the Aristo was bought for. My role in this was the same as JDMVIP's as I did get a couple of my friends who work at USS to do some digging aside from the people that JDMVIP had contacted to do some investigation.

I consider myself partly a customer of Derek's because I picked this car, and I chose Derek as the exporter.

Derek, we have never had contact personally, but I am JDMVIP's wife. If you recall, I was extremely excited and happy with your service initially. And that faded very quickly, when you decided to do all this.

I have to say I was disappointed by you when you commited this fraud with our purchase, but after I read everything you just posted, I have to say I'm disgusted. I consider myself part customer as JDMVIP bought this Aristo for me and as a customer; I'm extremely troubled by you and your attempt to seem sincere, to misdirect the educated members of this site who can see the forged document you sent us.

How can you even come on here with this sense of arrogance that you have done nothing wrong, pegged everything on JDMVIP (essentially me), and have nothing to say about the facts. This should trouble anyone who can read.

You first lie, then you tried to make us feel like we're the bad guys, then you lie some more, then you send forged paperwork and then get mad at JDMVIP....that pretty much sums it up.

My friends put themselves on the line, they dont' know you, they have nothing to do with you, and they still confirmed that you commited fraud.

I welcome you to challenge any piece of evidence we have up here because I know there is not a single Judge who is going to look at this and say you're not at fault. Because judges go past people's personas and so called images and go right to the facts, which is what we have done here, and I urge the members of this site to do so as well.

For the members of this site, please read everything in JDMVIP's report and than make your comments, because if you had a good experience with normal auction, that's great for you; but this is not a normal auction.

I rarely post anything but when I saw Derek's response I just had to post despite JDMVIP telling me that I don't have to. This has been a huge nightmare for us because JDMVIP is commited to this site and this site's purity. He didn't have to go and investigate, he could have left it, $1200 is really not a big amount; but he wanted to protect the members of this site; and wanted to protect anyone else from a similar situation. And to see you Derek come on here and say nothing about facts and go straight into character bashing is incredibly unprofessional.

I really hope you get that this is not going to go away and you are going to have to do a lot more than just character bash and say senseless things without addressing the facts.

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[quote=Braden;75418]My exiting thoughts, as I realize I don't need to be sticking my nose in stuff that's not my business anyway.

The issue I'm running into (i'm sure others are as well), is I like you Areeb, you're a cool cat. But I also like Derek- I enjoy(ed) the random PM's and emails he took time out of his busy day to write me and shoot the shit with me. I consider you both a friend. When I saw the title of this thread you were the [I]last[/I] person I expected to be the OP. From what I have read and understood, you did your research, presented a strong case, and by the sounds of it, this has been a long time coming.

The only other thing that I'm bothered with, as I understand it, is negotiations started at 400k yen, and from what you figure, the car was won at 420k yen (not the 520k yen you were billed for). Why would the seller even bother accepting an offer of a mere ~$210 over starting negotiation price?

Again, I like you, I like Derek, and it bothers me that this possibly happened, it seems out of character for him. But since the fact remains I personally like the both of you, I need to remain neutral until I hear both sides. Not that what I think matters anyways :)

I hope this gets sorted out, I wish the best to both of you.[/quote]

Thanks Braden for your comments. Forgive me but when I read your comments I did a *face palm*. I like Derek too as a person, but as a business person who stole from me, not so much. I can't make it personal because it wouldn't be fair to the facts. I also had to push my perception of him being the 'honest and nice Derek' out when I started to collect and confirm all this data.

It's like if I robbed the bank, and you got a picture of me during the robbery, in the picture you have me reaching over taking the money at gun point lets say. So you have to now decipher, is Areeb really guilty because he seems like such a nice guy? :cool:

But my personality has no relevance to the facts. And that is what I'm asking our members here to do. It's extremely hard, as it was also for me, but we have to look at the facts as facts.

I'm actually glad you asked this question because I guess it is a lot to read and many have missed this point, so I'd like to clarify it (I love facts lol).

1.) You asked why wouldn't the car have gone higher than 400K or 420K?
There are many reasons which are validated by other Exporters.
a.) The reserve price was 400K (this car would have sold for 400K if a bid had been placed on it).
b.) The selling price for a car like mine is much lower based on the mileage etc...
c.) The last bid price was 225K, the seller would be crazy not to accept their 400K reserve (basically that is what they wanted and their asking price).
d.) OK maybe they wanted more, perhaps 20K more but they wouldn't suddenly go up another 100K, that's impossible because they risk the buyers saying no, and that would be the end of negotiations.
e.) Considering the above, remember in negotiations you only get two chances. I asked Derek what the starting negotiation price was and what the increments were. He ignored me for more months and then his final answer was essentially. "I don't know, it's been too long"

I hope this clarifies things and please keep in mind I'm not trying to make you look silly by posting this.;)

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Hi JDMVIP,

I'm just going through this post while eating lunch so forgive me if these questions I have were already answered;
1. Was there actual evidence that the vehicle sold for less than what was stated?
2. The auction invoice has a Shuppin (Auction) No. 50416, on the far left. Isn't this the lot no. or the number you would use to search the auction history/results?
3. The company name on the auction invoice I believe is complete. It states (株)JPC, and (株) is the proper abbreviation for "Kabushikikaisha". JPC's proper Japanese name is Kabushikikaisha JPC. May I ask how you concluded the company name is incomplete and not in Japanese?

Cheers!

Ken

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[quote=inokiyo;75434]Hi JDMVIP,

I'm just going through this post while eating lunch so forgive me if these questions I have were already answered;
1. Was there actual evidence that the vehicle sold for less than what was stated?
2. The auction invoice has a Shuppin (Auction) No. 50416, on the far left. Isn't this the lot no. or the number you would use to search the auction history/results?
3. The company name on the auction invoice I believe is complete. It states (株)JPC, and (株) is the proper abbreviation for "Kabushikikaisha". JPC's proper Japanese name is Kabushikikaisha JPC. May I ask how you concluded the company name is incomplete and not in Japanese?

Cheers!

Ken[/quote]
Hey Ken, I hope you're enjoying your lunch.

I'm surprised why me the customer has to prove so much when Derek hasn't provided anything but a forged invoice. Why isn't the Exporter being called on here to provide answers to what I've posted lol?

I'd like to politely mention that most of this is already answered in everything posted (and this is not to you alone) but I find myself answering more questions than are being posed to Derek.

1.) Yes, I think a forged invoice in place of the original one is the proof, coupled with the rest of the evidence. I'd like to ask anyone who believes Derek, where is the original if the price is correct, doesn't anyone wonder about that? lol and forgive me as well.
2.) You are correct, 50416 is the lot number, however as this was a negotiated sale, no one can see the price in the search results. However, as you may not have noticed, there is another car's lot number written on the same line (that does not happen).
3.) May I first ask what your expertise is in auction invoices? I believe you'd know first hand the glaring omissions including missing totals etc.. I'm not sure how many USS Invoices you see, but what I've been sent does not look like any I've seen. To answer your question, JPC is written in English, all the real USS Invoice examples I've seen, didn't have any English for the company name.

I do invite you to ask more questions if you have them once you've had a chance to read more, as I'm equally guilty of skimming half the time lol.

I hope that clarifies things and there's not a single Exporter or USS employee that will say the invoice I received is authentic.:eek:

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75437]
2.) You are correct, 50416 is the lot number, however as this was a negotiated sale, no one can see the price in the search results. However, as you may not have noticed, there is another car's lot number written on the same line (that does not happen).[/QUOTE]

Also, there was no recycle tax listed, and please check to see if the 5% consumption tax is listed, as it should be.

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Some may think I am trying to stir things up, but what confuses me on this is why an established car dealer, that has been around for many years, would use another dealer to do bidding?

I know when Derek first started up back in 2009 he used SASTRAD to do bidding at auctions. This isn't unusual because we used another exporter for our start-up year. Generally it is required that a licensed used car dealer be in business for 1 year before they can join any auctions (to avoid just anyone starting up a car business and joining an auction to get the better prices). USS auctions also require two adults with property to act as guarantors for the auction membership. This means that if the auction member defaults, the auction can go after the guarantor for financial compensation.

I recall we even gave Derek access to our own USS membership and he had his own USS member pass so he could go to the auctions and view vehicles. Our business relationship changed when I wanted to charge more for our bidding services and he said he wouldn't continue with us. I asked for the membership access pass to be returned and it was.

I know the Autoserver (asnet) system, which most dealers use, including us, even allows for live bidding. The I-auc system, which we also use for smaller auctions like CAA, SMAP, KCAA, ORIX, SAA auctions, does not have live bidding, but we can submit after the 1 hour deadline, if there are no other Iauc members bidding on the same vehicle. It also costs an extra fee to do this "last chance" bidding. Having direct USS auction access is pretty much the norm for the used car business industry, and with my experience, can weed out the serious players from the part-timers.

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[QUOTE=Sastrad;75402]One question is that when asked, we are more than happy to provide auction invoices. In fact, we had one client even come to Japan over the past weekend to oversee the loading of his container.
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I have a direct question for you.Steve. Have you ever refused to show a USS invoice to a client or partner? Hint: Be wise in your answer, for you may be judged and held to the same standard as Derek!

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[QUOTE=Soren;75457]I have a direct question for you.Steve. Have you ever refused to show a USS invoice to a client or partner? Hint: Be wise in your answer, for you may be judged and held to the same standard as Derek![/QUOTE]

Interesting Soren, was that your car we bought on Derek's behalf? Thanks for the prompt regarding this situation. I am sure this is the situation you are hinting of.

The answer is yes. When Derek was buying with us back in 2009-winter 2010, we provided invoices from the auction. Then in March 2010, before another purchase was made (I believe), we were advised not to give auction sheets to him any longer. It was poor advise from our accountant. Later that year we revised this policy and black out any sensitive information, and have been offering the sheets ever since. If Derek were to ask for that same auction sheet now, he is more than welcome to it. We have to keep all our records in case of an audit.

Here is the email conversation in full:

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Derek
06/03/2010

to me
I'm sorry I haven't got back to you in a while.
Thank you for sending the invoice but that is not what I am looking for.

I will be clear.
You sent the vehicle through Zero Transport.
I want the invoice from Zero Transport.
You gave me an invoice from your company.

Thank you for your time.


Steven Smith
06/03/2010

to Derek
HI Derek,

I'm sorry to say, but we require that invoice from Zero since its in our name.
We're actually not going to be copying any auction sheets any longer either. I found out from our accountant that we shouldn't be doing that since its our business information and in my company's name.
The invoice I sent you will have to work.

Did you pay the bid fees?

Thanks,
Steve


Derek
06/03/2010

to me
I'm sorry, can you send me the invoice for the bidding fees again? I must have missed it. My appologies.

I have a problem with the Impreza right now and I am looking for answers. If you send the invoice with your information blacked out that would be great. The vehicle arrived with more kms on it than when it arrived in your yard so I am working out what happened. That is all.

I understand that this is your business information but I feel I have a right to see proof of purchase since I paid for it. The invoice might have information on it that I require.

Please let me know what you can do here.

Thanks
Derek


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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75437]Hey Ken, I hope you're enjoying your lunch.

I'm surprised why me the customer has to prove so much when Derek hasn't provided anything but a forged invoice. Why isn't the Exporter being called on here to provide answers to what I've posted lol?

I'd like to politely mention that most of this is already answered in everything posted (and this is not to you alone) but I find myself answering more questions than are being posed to Derek.

1.) Yes, I think a forged invoice in place of the original one is the proof, coupled with the rest of the evidence. I'd like to ask anyone who believes Derek, where is the original if the price is correct, doesn't anyone wonder about that? lol and forgive me as well.
2.) You are correct, 50416 is the lot number, however as this was a negotiated sale, no one can see the price in the search results. However, as you may not have noticed, there is another car's lot number written on the same line (that does not happen).
3.) May I first ask what your expertise is in auction invoices? I believe you'd know first hand the glaring omissions including missing totals etc.. I'm not sure how many USS Invoices you see, but what I've been sent does not look like any I've seen. To answer your question, JPC is written in English, all the real USS Invoice examples I've seen, didn't have any English for the company name.

I do invite you to ask more questions if you have them once you've had a chance to read more, as I'm equally guilty of skimming half the time lol.

I hope that clarifies things and there's not a single Exporter or USS employee that will say the invoice I received is authentic.:eek:[/QUOTE]

Hi JDMVIP,

And thank you for answering my questions. My lunch was quick and short, and I don’t even remember tasting it much, lol. Thanks also for being polite in pointing out that most of my questions were already answered. I see that now and my apologies for not seeing that earlier.
Here are the answers for your questions to myself, and a few more questions from me if you wouldn’t mind;

[I]“I'm surprised why me the customer has to prove so much when Derek hasn't provided anything but a forged invoice.”[/I]
I'm sorry to make you feel that way, but in your list of Statement of Facts 8), you state that you have “…evidence that states otherwise” and that Derek had demanded you give him the evidence. My simple thoughts were that if you had the evidence, why did you not provide it to Derek? When I asked the question, I was also confused with the evidence you mentioned, whether it was evidence showing a lower purchase price, or evidence showing the reserve/start price. But that is clarified now and I see you had evidence showing the reserve/start price.
I think we all are (or at least I am) asking you the questions, asking for proof and evidence not because you are the customer, but because you are the accuser.
You are accusing a company and an individual of fraud, theft, and lies which are very serious accusations that I believe needs clear, solid evidence, especially when you are doing this on a public forum, which is now accessible to millions of people and capable of scarring a business/individual/family for life. This may not be your intent, but the results can be.

[I]You mention that “…there is another car's lot number written on the same line (that does not happen).”[/I]
I did notice the hand written number, 20451, but did not think that was a lot number. The number 50416 is in the column titled Shuppin (Auction No.) which is a confirmed lot number. May I ask how you concluded that the hand written number, 20541 was a lot number as well?

[I]May I first ask what your expertise is in auction invoices?[/I]
I have absolutely no expertise in auction invoices and this is the very first time I have seen one. I am originally from Japan and fluent in Japanese and that is why I noticed the company name to be complete and that (株)JPC is acceptable as a company’s complete name.(株) is the same as "Inc." or "Co. Ltd.".

[I]You mention that “…there's not a single Exporter or USS employee that will say the invoice I received is authentic”.[/I]
Are they saying this is not authentic because of the omitted information, or because of the formatting/looks of the invoice? To make the question more simple, if all of the missing info were there, would this invoice now be considered authentic? Could one say that the missing info was purposely blanked off or whited out (as some portions actually look to be), to keep you from seeing confidential information (such as other vehicle purchase info for other customers?), or information that JPC and/or Derek considered not relevant to you?
These are my answers and questions for now.
Cheers!

Ken

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[QUOTE=Soren;75457]I have a direct question for you.Steve. Have you ever refused to show a USS invoice to a client or partner? Hint: Be wise in your answer, for you may be judged and held to the same standard as Derek![/QUOTE]

I have a direct question for you Soren: was that your purchase you are referring to?

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[QUOTE=Sastrad;75460]I have a direct question for you Soren: was that your purchase you are referring to?[/QUOTE]

Actually, no Steven. I didn't have any specifically in mind, and had actually forgotten that you have been a part of a few of my purchases! :) Starting with William!
I rather wanted to point out that the fact that an invoice wasn't provided does not simply mean that a fraud is taking place. You mention that you currently provide invoices to whoever needs them, and I take you at your word, I have no reason not to, bit the fact remains that you did not provide them for a time. This does not, in my mind make you out to be a fraudster, even though your response previously was more firm or agressive (i'm struggling for the right word here) than we are led to belive by Areeb that Dereks was. To clarify I read it as though Areeb asked for the USS invoice from Derek, which we can now see Derek, at least in his time using your services, was use to not getting. Derek's response to Areeb seems to be of the variety of "I'll see what I can do and never getting a result, whereas your response, in the past was a flat out: No way.
I don't believe either response suggests fraud.

Thank you for being transparent, more transparent than you needed to be on the matter, For this I give you much respect.

One other point that you clarify above, that seems to be a major part of Areebs vendetta, is the way that negotiations work. I'm going off of memory and impression, as I am on a tablet, and just writing a response is cumbersome. I believe you mention above that you have seen nego's go for reserve, and you have seen them go higher. Areeb seems to be under the mistaken impression that it would be impossible for his car to go for that much.more than the reserve. I can't say either way, but think.it is curious that you, his star witness seems to be agreeing that it isn't strange to have the price go above reserve, even much more, and it isn't that strange to not be provided a USS invoice, not even that strange to flatly refuse an invoice (which it doesn't appear Derek did here.

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Here is what I believe to be an authentic USS Nagoya auction invoice;
[url]http://auction-daikou.biz/images/auctionfee.gif[/url]
If you could please compare with the one provided to JDMVIP and share thoughts, opinions, that would be great.

Ken

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[QUOTE=inokiyo;75459]Hi JDMVIP,

And thank you for answering my questions. My lunch was quick and short, and I don’t even remember tasting it much, lol. Thanks also for being polite in pointing out that most of my questions were already answered. I see that now and my apologies for not seeing that earlier.
Here are the answers for your questions to myself, and a few more questions from me if you wouldn’t mind;

[I]“I'm surprised why me the customer has to prove so much when Derek hasn't provided anything but a forged invoice.”[/I]
I'm sorry to make you feel that way, but in your list of Statement of Facts 8), you state that you have “…evidence that states otherwise” and that Derek had demanded you give him the evidence. My simple thoughts were that if you had the evidence, why did you not provide it to Derek? When I asked the question, I was also confused with the evidence you mentioned, whether it was evidence showing a lower purchase price, or evidence showing the reserve/start price. But that is clarified now and I see you had evidence showing the reserve/start price.
I think we all are (or at least I am) asking you the questions, asking for proof and evidence not because you are the customer, but because you are the accuser.
You are accusing a company and an individual of fraud, theft, and lies which are very serious accusations that I believe needs clear, solid evidence, especially when you are doing this on a public forum, which is now accessible to millions of people and capable of scarring a business/individual/family for life. This may not be your intent, but the results can be.

[I]You mention that “…there is another car's lot number written on the same line (that does not happen).”[/I]
I did notice the hand written number, 20451, but did not think that was a lot number. The number 50416 is in the column titled Shuppin (Auction No.) which is a confirmed lot number. May I ask how you concluded that the hand written number, 20541 was a lot number as well?

[I]May I first ask what your expertise is in auction invoices?[/I]
I have absolutely no expertise in auction invoices and this is the very first time I have seen one. I am originally from Japan and fluent in Japanese and that is why I noticed the company name to be complete and that (株)JPC is acceptable as a company’s complete name.(株) is the same as "Inc." or "Co. Ltd.".

[I]You mention that “…there's not a single Exporter or USS employee that will say the invoice I received is authentic”.[/I]
Are they saying this is not authentic because of the omitted information, or because of the formatting/looks of the invoice? To make the question more simple, if all of the missing info were there, would this invoice now be considered authentic? Could one say that the missing info was purposely blanked off or whited out (as some portions actually look to be), to keep you from seeing confidential information (such as other vehicle purchase info for other customers?), or information that JPC and/or Derek considered not relevant to you?
These are my answers and questions for now.
Cheers!

Ken[/QUOTE]
Hi Ken,

I'm Lazina I hope you don't mind, but I wanted to give you my 2cents since your questions bothered me a bit... I don't know all the technical sides, I only can talk about the legal side of it. Because I don't want this to turn into a show down for no reason, I think it's best if Derek and JPC comes on here and confronts this situation. The members are welcome to scrutinize and analyze the report, but hopefully the members will apply common sense and be fair in their assessement.

Firstly I would like to state, that in cases of purchases, any purchase for that matter, you are provided with a receipt of the transaction. This purchase is no different. We as the customers are entitled to the invoice (the proof of the purchase price/sale). Perhaps while you were reading the report some portions got misunderstood, as even your first question is answered in the Q&A section.

And I think it's pretty bold to say the word 'accuser' so indiscriminately without any context, we are not accusers, we are customers. IF you do want to say that we are accusers, we are certainly a customer first and by right as customers we do deserve a receipt- in this case the Auction Invoice.

1) We asked for this "invoice" in Jan, the day our car was purchased, this is before we knew Derek was invovled in anything. We are not 'accusers' as you state pretty loosely, at that point we are still and only are just CUSTOMERS. And that title even if changed to something as radical as accusers still remains as legitimate customers who have a legitimate right to the invoice in question. No customer, not a single one from this site, nor anywhere else should have to prove any wrongdoing has been done in order for the exporter to do their job of providing the invoice, and in the world of common sense, that makes simple sense, even without legally being told that it is common sense.
If you re-read the Q&A, I'm sure you'll find a much better explanation.

- For the record, we did at the very end make a last ditch effort to confront Derek by phone because we really didn't want this being a public issue but a private issue that would be resolved... as we told him we wanted a conference call between himself and JPC to answer questions, he never picked up our calls nor has he returned them. To me, these are all basic signs of a con artist, and forgive my accusatory tone, but everything Derek and JPC has done screams this. And I'm not trying to be mean to him, but after 6 months of this, I think he has a lot more answers he should be giving, than what we are being so blatantly re-asked here.

a) This isn't about scarring his reputation, this is Derek and JPC commiting fraud so blatantly and I'm sorry to say this, but a member like you who seems rather well read ignoring the blantant forgery and asking miniscual details like this, is pretty shocking for me...maybe not to another member or even to JDMVIP, but it's really shocking to me...because I figured that commons sense, basic morals and law would be applied when members read the report....

I'm not sure why these details are revelant here, but of course in a court of Law it would be somewhat of a loose defense, so I won't shy from answering it. JDMVIP and I own and run our own business so we know very much what reputation means to a business and never have we forged documents or lied like Derek and JPC has. Again, if reputation was so important to Derek and JPC perhaps they should have had the sense of doing business properly, and legally; and had their customers in mind before deciding to scam them.

I know I'm being terribly harsh, but this is the fact, these are facts and no matter what kind of holes are poked, it will not negate the fact that a forged document was sent to us by Derek and legitimized by him.

2) As far as the forgery goes, I think it's pretty self explanatory. Any document analyser will off the bat tell you, that the lines are not normal in relation to the portions that are supposedly covered with paper.

I think the better question here is, why not focus on the fact that the Auction House tax is missing which isn't something that was covered up (again refer to the document itself and pay close attention to the lines etc etc), This was one of the big questions I had for Derek and JDMVIP was going to confront him with on the phone, but Derek never picked up nor did he call back. It's been 6 weeks since then.

And I think it's important to get some insight from the accused too. Right now, its all pretty one sided, because we have yet to hear from Derek or JPC directly. And although it's fine that his friends are here to help him in such a situation, it's still means the most when the person(s) in question are present to properly provide us with information that has been posted.

Again, I hope I didn't come across as being rude to you, I mean nothing of the sort. But as you can imagine, this was not an easy 6 months of investigation. And we did not just decide to post baseless information, I and JDMVIP made sure even small details were cross refrenced and confirmed before we made the choice to post this. And I'm sure by my replies and the replies from JDMVIP that we were more than just thorough, we made sure that facts were all relevant and true before we decided to take this path.

Ah! I'm sorry I rambled on! Sorry!

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75437]Hey Ken, I hope you're enjoying your lunch.

I'm surprised why me the customer has to prove so much when Derek hasn't provided anything but a forged invoice. Why isn't the Exporter being called on here to provide answers to what [\QUOTE]
The reason is that you have levelled such serious charges and allegations towards Derek without actual proof other than the construct you have come up with. You are now required to prove this defrauding happened to you, and more seriously that Derek is complicit in it.

Let me state also, that it would/will not surprise me one way or another if you were ripped off 1000.00-1500.00, I don't know anything about JPC trade. What would shock me though, would be if Derek/PCA was involved.
I think you have gone about this totally wrong, and the lack of actual evidence is stacking against very pointed claims and accusations. It would have been better to start with the fact that you felt the car sold for less, and that somehow you were parted from your money, because accusing Derek only serves to make you look foolish, if he comes out innocent, and hurts his business and his family.
If you.come out correct, and Derek has actually wronged you somehow, your credibilty is still shot from the baseless accusations.

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[QUOTE=Soren;75462] at least in his time using your services, was use to not getting. [/QUOTE]

Actually, we did not make another purchase for Derek after we told him we could not provide auction invoices. This was around the same time we informed him we are charging more for our services, and he decided to find someone else to do his auction bidding. Prior to that, he was always able to get, and in fact did, get the auction invoices.

Sorry, I don't know how to multi-quote.

[I]I believe you mention above that you have seen nego's go for reserve, and you have seen them go higher. Areeb seems to be under the mistaken impression that it would be impossible for his car to go for that much.more than the reserve. I can't say either way, but think.it is curious that you, his star witness seems to be agreeing that it isn't strange to have the price go above reserve, even much more, and it isn't that strange to not be provided a USS invoice, not even that strange to flatly refuse an invoice (which it doesn't appear Derek did here.
[/I]

I don't think I am the *Star Witness*, but I am the only one taking the time to come public about offering my assistance in this situation.

The negotiation start price is a point that most sellers will sell at. Nonetheless, regardless of where it ended up, the start price on this one was 400,000 yen and what Areeb was being told regarding how the negotiation started and the *back and forth* during the process was incorrect. It is impossible there was bantering back and forth to reach a price of 520,000 yen to win the negotiation. That is simply not how it works. That is the strength of his point regarding the negotiation issue.

There is another point I never disclosed because I didn't think this issue would manifest itself into the beast it has become, but will now do so to clarify what I said to Areeb. When a bid ends, and the negotiation amount is 20 or 30,000 yen higher, the auction is trying to encourage the bidder to bid more. The negotiation that starts 20 or 30,000 yen higher than the last bid could go much higher. Normally when the bid ends and is much lower than the reserve, and the negotiation starts at a much higher amount, this amount almost always indicates the minimum reserve. So, if the car bidding ended at 225,000 yen, and the negotiations start higher, at a specific amount like 400,000 yen, it is my experience that the minimum reserve is also 400,000 yen and the seller would sell at 400,000 yen. There is no reason for the auction to start the negotiation at 400,000 yen and the seller wants more. This statement comes from my experience in watching negotiations and doing negotiations since 2007, but it is my opinion only.

More to the situation, the meat of the case is the validity of the invoice Areeb was given. As started, and from multiple source, the invoice appears to have been falsified.

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[QUOTE=Soren;75466][QUOTE=jdmvip;75437]Hey Ken, I hope you're enjoying your lunch.

I'm surprised why me the customer has to prove so much when Derek hasn't provided anything but a forged invoice. Why isn't the Exporter being called on here to provide answers to what [\QUOTE]
The reason is that you have levelled such serious charges and allegations towards Derek without actual proof other than the construct you have come up with. You are now required to prove this defrauding happened to you, and more seriously that Derek is complicit in it.

Let me state also, that it would/will not surprise me one way or another if you were ripped off 1000.00-1500.00, I don't know anything about JPC trade. What would shock me though, would be if Derek/PCA was involved.
I think you have gone about this totally wrong, and the lack of actual evidence is stacking against very pointed claims and accusations. It would have been better to start with the fact that you felt the car sold for less, and that somehow you were parted from your money, because accusing Derek only serves to make you look foolish, if he comes out innocent, and hurts his business and his family.
If you.come out correct, and Derek has actually wronged you somehow, your credibilty is still shot from the baseless accusations.[/QUOTE]


Hi Soren,

I think we met once during a meet and again, if you forgot me, I'm Lazina :D

I will like to start off by apolgizing for replying to a post that was meant for JDMVIP, but I think it's important that you understand what credibility is and means.

JDMVIP's nor mine credibilty is not "shot" simply because we decied to post the truth with evidence listed. I'm not sure in what bizarre law that would make any sense, so I wanted to clarify that. And why you would think that credibility of JDMVIP's would even be questioned since he has been nothing but an upstanding truth based owner of this site from day one. He is a successful business owner, a father, and a credit and chartiable member of soceity and on here. He has always put the members of this site first and protected members and exporters alike. So why him posting a fact based report on Derek's and JPC's crime would shot down any ounce of his credibiltiy would make me question the credibility of the person who is questioning his. What kind of person would do that?

And again, I'm finding it hard to stomach how you are ignoring some pretty lawful facts and just flying down different defensive modes trying to find a hole for Derek.

Actually we have proved it, to the extent that legally matters and beyond. If you read the report JDMVIP compiled you will see that very clearly, unless you are trying to purposely ignore facts. JDMVIP had laid down an allegation you are correct, but it is supported by documents that Derek himself verified to be legitimate, as an experienced exporter who has done nego sales before verified that the document he was sending was in fact legitimate. I don't understand at all your postiion because it really makes no sense. This document forgery is alone proof, and then coupled with the reserve price, Derek's unwillingness (even now) to answer questions and be fourth coming, has all led to this.

And again, it is not up to the customer to provide proof, it is up to the exporter. And I think you're trying to find him a defense that is pretty loose and won't hold up in court, nor would it hold up with any reasonable intelligent person who has ethics.

We have gone and proved it, it is now up to Derek to prove us wrong. And the only way of doing that is providing that invoice that he and JPC both have.

I'm not sure why you think JDMVIP would look foolish and honestly I think you're being a bit foolish and rude for saying something that has absolutely no merit. I have yet to see a question on this thread that hasn't been either already answered in the report or directly answered by JDMVIP himself. And of course JDMVIP was more than ready to take this on since he knew what to expect and from who, but I however am a bit shocked.

No reasonable person, lawyer, judge, or a normal member on this site, can possibly look at this report in pieces or in it's entirety and say it's baseless and a simple case of the 'customer misunderstanding'. Sorry but that defense doesn't fly here and I think it's best you ask Derek kindly to come on here with JPC and do some of the answers, because he hasn't said much.

And honestly, these allegations are directed towards Derek and JPC not you, so I think it's fair for JDMVIP and me to ask why we have to provide further proof and explanation in addition to the detailed report we have already provided. And it seems a bit rude and not proper without Derek and JPC being present to answer some of our questions and yours I'm sure, (essentially a cross examining if you will). Our biggest question being; why the hell did they think they were going to get away with it?

And again I'm sorry for rudely replying to your post that was intended for JDMVIP, again I felt compelled to reply since I am part customer in this and also share the same responsiblity. And as JDMVIP has stated, we are more than willing to apologize publically if we are in fact somehow by a miracle chance wrong, but that would only happen if the Auction Invoice is provided because that is really the only evidence that would clear all this...and I should say it would have to be the real thing not a forgery.

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My only question I have here, since I want to stay away from all this until it unfolds more. If there is such fraud committed, and there are sources in Japan, why did no one contact the Japanese police? If the fraud listed above is in fact valid, would there no be more?

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[QUOTE=GregA;75469]My only question I have here, since I want to stay away from all this until it unfolds more. If there is such fraud committed, and there are sources in Japan, why did no one contact the Japanese police? If the fraud listed above is in fact valid, would there no be more?[/QUOTE]

Greg A,

Hi, sorry, let me introduce myself to you since I have kinda been doing that to people who don't know me and have never talked to me :D

I'm Lazina, JDMVIP's wife....actually please don't let me being his wife be any reason to hold back! I'm very prepared :D- that goes for all members.

Actually, its interesting that you pointed this out...I can't say what we have done right now and what we are planning to do in the future. But rest assured we have looked at all our options, including the one you have stated.

The only concern I have, that we were warned about, is that the Japanese legal system doesn't really care for foreigners when they are screwed over...however, this might not be the case in our situation. Regardless we can't comment on this just yet as we are still in the process of figuring out what to do with our options.

JDMVIP, I think everybody knows, is very true to his words and I trust that he will make an appropriate decision, as his decision to put this up was the right choice.

And I apologize for jumping in and replying to your post which was most likely intented for JDMVIP :D

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I don't understand why Derek doesn't come in and put his side of the story in ? If it were me, I would be in a rush to do so as I understand the severity of the matter.

I won't take any judgement until he does so.

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Thanks William and others that are waiting for my response. I am taking time to get my response right. It is a complex situation and there is a lot at play. It is like writing a term paper, only with higher consequences. I surely can't finish a good response over night.

It will come soon.

Cheers

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[QUOTE=Lazina;75465]Hi Ken,

I'm Lazina I hope you don't mind, but I wanted to give you my 2cents since your questions bothered me a bit... I don't know all the technical sides, I only can talk about the legal side of it. Because I don't want this to turn into a show down for no reason, I think it's best if Derek and JPC comes on here and confronts this situation. The members are welcome to scrutinize and analyze the report, but hopefully the members will apply common sense and be fair in their assessement.

Firstly I would like to state, that in cases of purchases, any purchase for that matter, you are provided with a receipt of the transaction. This purchase is no different. We as the customers are entitled to the invoice (the proof of the purchase price/sale). Perhaps while you were reading the report some portions got misunderstood, as even your first question is answered in the Q&A section.

And I think it's pretty bold to say the word 'accuser' so indiscriminately without any context, we are not accusers, we are customers. IF you do want to say that we are accusers, we are certainly a customer first and by right as customers we do deserve a receipt- in this case the Auction Invoice.

1) We asked for this "invoice" in Jan, the day our car was purchased, this is before we knew Derek was invovled in anything. We are not 'accusers' as you state pretty loosely, at that point we are still and only are just CUSTOMERS. And that title even if changed to something as radical as accusers still remains as legitimate customers who have a legitimate right to the invoice in question. No customer, not a single one from this site, nor anywhere else should have to prove any wrongdoing has been done in order for the exporter to do their job of providing the invoice, and in the world of common sense, that makes simple sense, even without legally being told that it is common sense.
If you re-read the Q&A, I'm sure you'll find a much better explanation.

- For the record, we did at the very end make a last ditch effort to confront Derek by phone because we really didn't want this being a public issue but a private issue that would be resolved... as we told him we wanted a conference call between himself and JPC to answer questions, he never picked up our calls nor has he returned them. To me, these are all basic signs of a con artist, and forgive my accusatory tone, but everything Derek and JPC has done screams this. And I'm not trying to be mean to him, but after 6 months of this, I think he has a lot more answers he should be giving, than what we are being so blatantly re-asked here.

a) This isn't about scarring his reputation, this is Derek and JPC commiting fraud so blatantly and I'm sorry to say this, but a member like you who seems rather well read ignoring the blantant forgery and asking miniscual details like this, is pretty shocking for me...maybe not to another member or even to JDMVIP, but it's really shocking to me...because I figured that commons sense, basic morals and law would be applied when members read the report....

I'm not sure why these details are revelant here, but of course in a court of Law it would be somewhat of a loose defense, so I won't shy from answering it. JDMVIP and I own and run our own business so we know very much what reputation means to a business and never have we forged documents or lied like Derek and JPC has. Again, if reputation was so important to Derek and JPC perhaps they should have had the sense of doing business properly, and legally; and had their customers in mind before deciding to scam them.

I know I'm being terribly harsh, but this is the fact, these are facts and no matter what kind of holes are poked, it will not negate the fact that a forged document was sent to us by Derek and legitimized by him.

2) As far as the forgery goes, I think it's pretty self explanatory. Any document analyser will off the bat tell you, that the lines are not normal in relation to the portions that are supposedly covered with paper.

I think the better question here is, why not focus on the fact that the Auction House tax is missing which isn't something that was covered up (again refer to the document itself and pay close attention to the lines etc etc), This was one of the big questions I had for Derek and JDMVIP was going to confront him with on the phone, but Derek never picked up nor did he call back. It's been 6 weeks since then.

And I think it's important to get some insight from the accused too. Right now, its all pretty one sided, because we have yet to hear from Derek or JPC directly. And although it's fine that his friends are here to help him in such a situation, it's still means the most when the person(s) in question are present to properly provide us with information that has been posted.

Again, I hope I didn't come across as being rude to you, I mean nothing of the sort. But as you can imagine, this was not an easy 6 months of investigation. And we did not just decide to post baseless information, I and JDMVIP made sure even small details were cross refrenced and confirmed before we made the choice to post this. And I'm sure by my replies and the replies from JDMVIP that we were more than just thorough, we made sure that facts were all relevant and true before we decided to take this path.

Ah! I'm sorry I rambled on! Sorry![/QUOTE]

Hi Lazina,

First of all, can you and JDMVIP accept my sincerest apologies for describing you as the “accuser”? I did not realize the strength of this word and how it would make people feel, but at the time I posted this I did not know. I saw Derek and his company being the “accused”, so simply (and now realizing loosely) described you and JDMVIP as the “accuser”. I did not mean any harm by using this word and I am sorry for this and also for making you feel bad about it.
I agree with you 100% when you say no customer should have to prove any wrongdoing. But if Derek and JPC say there is none, but you think there is, then it is best to do so with solid proof and evidence, since obviously Derek and JPC will either not have it, or hide it.
I am not ignoring the “blatant” forgery, I am actually FOCUSING on it. And that is why I am asking the minuscule details.
Here are the reasons why I have asked these questions so far;
[I]The auction invoice has a Shuppin (Auction) No. 50416, on the far left. Isn't this the lot no. or the number you would use to search the auction history/results?[/I]
I asked the above question since JDMVIP’s explanation was that the other number, 20451 was the lot number and it was wrong, belonging to another car. There was no mention at all of the actual lot no. 50416 so I thought maybe he did not realize the 50416 was the Lot no., and maybe there was a misunderstanding that I could clear up.
[I]May I ask how you concluded the company name is incomplete and not in Japanese?[/I]
I asked the above question, since JDMVIP’s statement that the company name is incomplete and not in Japanese is incorrect, and I thought maybe JDMVIP was not getting the proper information or was possibly a bad assumption which he could correct or clarify.
[I]May I ask how you concluded that the hand written number, 20541 was a lot number as well?[/I]
I asked this question (which has not been answered yet) because JDMVIP states that “There was even another lot number from another car on my line for my car.” And that “It's actually the lot number of another vehicle, there's no way this would ever happen with a real invoice (having the number of another car's lot written).”
JDMVIP states this is a lot number, which I believe is not. There is nothing on the invoice to indicate that it is a lot no., so I wanted to know why he thought it was. Maybe it was due to a bad informant? I don't know...Perhaps it is a part of the chassis number – JZS1610020451?
[I]Are they saying this (the USS Nagoya Auction Invoice) is not authentic because of the omitted information, or because of the formatting/looks of the invoice?[/I]
I asked this question (which has not been answered yet) because I really focused hard on the “forged” USS Nagoya Auction Invoice.
I thought maybe there are other portions of this document that JDMVIP thought was forged, but in fact was just misunderstood?
I focused on the fact that the Auction House tax is missing, since you and JDMVIP see this as the key evidence to the forgery. Along with other information, I saw the possibility of this information just being whitened out, because someone thought this was sensitive information? So the question was asked to see if this invoice would be considered authentic, if the missing info was there.
Cheers!

Ken

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All I have to say on this for now is………

If anyone thinks that being supplied an auction invoice or auction sheet proves anything (condition & price) then you are very mistaken. Blank auction sheets are available at the auction reception desk (how many would you like) and auction invoices, they can be made in five minutes flat and the good ones are very hard to tell if they are real or not.

It is a bit like testimonials on companies websites (any company website), I take them with a pinch of salt, why is it they only display good ones and never bad ones and how do I know that they are "real" and not homemade…..same goes for auction invoices and auction sheets.

The only way you can tell that an auction invoice is false is by the agent making errors when changing it but generally, very very hard to tell. You as the customer cannot ring the auction and ask what a vehicle sold for, they will not tell you, if they will not tell me and I have a few tricks on getting the information out of them (quoting company name and buyer number) then they are not going to tell an English speaking person calling from overseas.

Any agent in Japan trying to get a head by offering a copy of the invoice or auction sheet as a sales pitch…….like I said take it with a pinch of salt.

Below is a USS invoice issued to me (Brave Auto) from USS Auction Nagoya as I have full membership to the auctions.

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It has vehicles on it I have brought and vehicles I am selling as well.

The "red" on it is me hiding my buyers number, I do not care about my customers knowing it but I do not want to publically display it for my competitors to see as I do not want them knowing my buyers number. I do not have time to explain why, I will save that for another day.

Now….. you tell me, is the attached USS invoice real or not.……..lol.

For most people on here, you would have no idea, never seen one before etc.

Well, it is 100% real but as you can see it would not take much to change it and the ones who are more professional at it do the changes by printing a whole new one off opposed to cut and paste, blanking things out etc. However,, blanking things out is another trick to fool people into believing it is real.

Cheers

MB.

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Hi inokiyo

No problem but I still don't see why the world is being demanded of me lol.
I don't mind answering some questions if they aren't already answered but I am concerned that this mini-campaign of asking the same questions is sidetracking everyone from the million dollar question of where is Derek with proof that the sale price is right and that I'm wrong?

I'd like to ask you one question if I may. If I'm in the wrong and everything is as you have been lead to believe, where is Derek with the proof that the sale is correct after 6 months?

So in response to your questions (I'm sorry to say most is still answered already but it is a lot to read I admit:():

Why didn't I show Derek the evidence?
This is what I think no one understands and isn't applying logic to, am I the only logical person here? I don't believe it's at all relevant to the proof before us, but here I go :)

I also think you are forgetting that I never accused Derek of anything initially. I simply asked him to produce the original Auction Invoice and before breaking off contact he used the reason of essentially "you have to provide proof for me to prove the sale price".

As I mentioned in the report, I already knew JPC Trade was guilty and knew Derek's response and behavior would clearly show whether he is involved or not. I see only his friends find his behavior as normal for someone who is not guilty.:D

The last thing I can say directly, is that when someone is being investigated, you don't go and give them the heads up and this is standard and self-explanatory. And to the point, I gave increasingly strong hints that I was suspicious and then that I had evidence, in hopes that it would prompt Derek to prove my concerns wrong about the price. Unfortunately to this day, all we have is a forgery of an invoice. If I'm wrong, as any Exporter will say, they would taken the 2 minutes it takes to avoid this situation and the many chances I gave them. But surely if they are innocent they will act the part, or in this case I would expect prove the sale price.

With that said, why must I the customer provide any proof to receive proof of a negotiated sale? It's like if I ask you to go buy me a TV and I'll pay you whatever it costs and you ask me for the receipt. I'll put up road blocks for months and then tell you that "Ken you have to provide proof of my wrongdoing and the original receipt if you want proof of what I bought the TV for". Perhaps it's just me but I fail to see the fairness or logic in that and it would be clear I had something to hide. But to finish it off, you would be in the wrong there and painted as the bad guy lol.

How do I know 20451 is a lot number?
As posted and mentioned in the report, here is the screenshot showing that 20451 is a lot number. What is it doing written on the line for my car?

Please note I never claimed that 20451 is the lot number of my car, the point is that in a real invoice, no other lot number would be referred to or written in hand like that.

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Is the auction invoice really unauthentic because some items are blocked out?
No, I can only kindly say that it's not even one of the reasons I say it's not authentic.

The only portions blocked out are what are supposedly other lot numbers above (however it appears the lot numbers don't even go to the top), they should be visible if there are other vehicles above, which there should be. With that said, Derek assured me that nothing was electronically modified and nothing was covered except the other cars.

In short, I think you're misunderstanding the context and the significance of those points. I never said the auction invoice is not authentic because some portions are covered up.

It's not authentic for many reasons as I've pointed out in the report. I'm finding that for me 1+1=2 but for some it's whatever they're told (and I mean no disrespect but I'm the victim here twice now lol).

That's all I can say without retyping everything I had :)

Cheers

[quote=inokiyo;75459]Hi JDMVIP,

And thank you for answering my questions. My lunch was quick and short, and I don’t even remember tasting it much, lol. Thanks also for being polite in pointing out that most of my questions were already answered. I see that now and my apologies for not seeing that earlier.
Here are the answers for your questions to myself, and a few more questions from me if you wouldn’t mind;

[I]“I'm surprised why me the customer has to prove so much when Derek hasn't provided anything but a forged invoice.”[/I]
I'm sorry to make you feel that way, but in your list of Statement of Facts 8), you state that you have “…evidence that states otherwise” and that Derek had demanded you give him the evidence. My simple thoughts were that if you had the evidence, why did you not provide it to Derek? When I asked the question, I was also confused with the evidence you mentioned, whether it was evidence showing a lower purchase price, or evidence showing the reserve/start price. But that is clarified now and I see you had evidence showing the reserve/start price.
I think we all are (or at least I am) asking you the questions, asking for proof and evidence not because you are the customer, but because you are the accuser.
You are accusing a company and an individual of fraud, theft, and lies which are very serious accusations that I believe needs clear, solid evidence, especially when you are doing this on a public forum, which is now accessible to millions of people and capable of scarring a business/individual/family for life. This may not be your intent, but the results can be.

[I]You mention that “…there is another car's lot number written on the same line (that does not happen).”[/I]
I did notice the hand written number, 20451, but did not think that was a lot number. The number 50416 is in the column titled Shuppin (Auction No.) which is a confirmed lot number. May I ask how you concluded that the hand written number, 20541 was a lot number as well?

[I]May I first ask what your expertise is in auction invoices?[/I]
I have absolutely no expertise in auction invoices and this is the very first time I have seen one. I am originally from Japan and fluent in Japanese and that is why I noticed the company name to be complete and that (株)JPC is acceptable as a company’s complete name.(株) is the same as "Inc." or "Co. Ltd.".

[I]You mention that “…there's not a single Exporter or USS employee that will say the invoice I received is authentic”.[/I]
Are they saying this is not authentic because of the omitted information, or because of the formatting/looks of the invoice? To make the question more simple, if all of the missing info were there, would this invoice now be considered authentic? Could one say that the missing info was purposely blanked off or whited out (as some portions actually look to be), to keep you from seeing confidential information (such as other vehicle purchase info for other customers?), or information that JPC and/or Derek considered not relevant to you?
These are my answers and questions for now.
Cheers!

Ken[/quote]

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[quote=Soren;75457]I have a direct question for you.Steve. Have you ever refused to show a USS invoice to a client or partner? Hint: Be wise in your answer, for you may be judged and held to the same standard as Derek![/quote]
When I read this I was concerned that you were saying without evidence that Steve/SASTRAD did something similar to what Pacific Coast JDM and JPC Trade did but it seems that is not the case. What I mean is that it's a non-issue if any Exporter does not provide the invoice, it's only an issue when it's for a negotiated sale, since negotiated sales cannot be verified or searched on-line as some are now realizing.

With that said, I do believe it appears you were trying to discredit SASTRAD without any merit and I don't know what it has to do with this thread but those are just my thoughts after reading the exchange.

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[quote=Soren;75462]

One other point that you clarify above, that seems to be a major part of Areebs vendetta, is the way that negotiations work. I'm going off of memory and impression, as I am on a tablet, and just writing a response is cumbersome. I believe you mention above that you have seen nego's go for reserve, and you have seen them go higher. Areeb seems to be under the mistaken impression that it would be impossible for his car to go for that much.more than the reserve. I can't say either way, but think.it is curious that you, his star witness seems to be agreeing that it isn't strange to have the price go above reserve, even much more, and it isn't that strange to not be provided a USS invoice, not even that strange to flatly refuse an invoice (which it doesn't appear Derek did here.[/quote]
Hi Soren,

Your conduct and behavior concerns me because Moderators have an elevated duty of conduct, ethics and integrity and there are examples here and in private that lead me to believe, your relationship with Pacific Coast JDM is compromising the objectivity of the site. Moderators including me, must be held to a higher standard than members, and should be putting the members' interest first, which is one of the many conditions of becoming a moderator. I have never once shown I have any 'vendetta' or issue with Derek ever, or with another Exporter or a member. To keep it short, if your attack on my character was correct, you wouldn't have become a moderator. However you have shown that you jump to conclusions, make assumptions, accuse blindly, and disrespect fellow members (aside from myself). You are the only one in this thread that is resorting to such personal attacks, aside from Pacific Coast JDM/Derek, and you are a moderator.

Please review my similar PM from a weeks ago again and reply to it and confirm whether you still agree to the principles of this site and being a moderator.

To avoid being misconstrued, this is not only in reference to myself but to the way you've addressed others in this thread who have addressed your questions in a calm, polite and professional manner. You are allowed to ask questions here but they should be done with integrity, must abide by the rules and should not contain any personal insults or attacks.

Thank you Soren.

Cheers

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Perhaps the moderator discussion is best saved for private messaging?
It doesn't seem particularly relevant to the thread and I can only see it derailing things.

In the meantime../grabspopcorn

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Wow, I want the half hour of my life back that I just lost reading this thread.

You won a car at auction, and it was under budget, awesome! It seems like you wanted to find something dishonest with all of the on the sofa CSI work that was done, but I still do not see any solid proof of fraud, just slander on your part jdmvip.

I cannot blame Derek for not responding to these accusations just yet, I wouldn't have very nice things to say right now either. If what he did is true, yes it is wrong. I also believe that what you(jdmvip) have done/are doing is wrong too. What gives you the right to try as hard as you can to discredit someone and ruin their reputation?

I am not taking sides, but I do not think that this thread should exsist.

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That was a ridiculous read. Could the original posts by JDMVIP not have been shortened to about a fifth as it seems all you did was rewrite everything out like five times. And then just continued to do so on your replies. Well that's what it seems like to me but I'm sure not gonna go over and try and read it again....

I also don't think Soren was attempting to discredit anyone either, your just trying to make it sound like he was.

And the parts you mentioned in those linked images of forgery, I don't even see what your talking about.

Ya maybe you should have gotten the original auction invoice but I honestly don't know how that part works as I didn't even know how vehicle negotiations worked up until this point.

If you felt you were being ripped off then why did you go ahead and purchase the vehicle. I'm pretty sure you didn't transfer the money until after the vehicle was won. So its not like Derek just had your cash in his hand to blow.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75492]Hi Soren,

Your conduct and behavior concerns me because Moderators have an elevated duty of conduct, ethics and integrity and there are examples here and in private that lead me to believe, your relationship with Pacific Coast JDM is compromising the objectivity of the site. Moderators including me, must be held to a higher standard than members, and should be putting the members' interest first, which is one of the many conditions of becoming a moderator. [/QUOTE]

I don't understand. Shaun was giving his opinion on how he see's the whole thing, and how he understood your 'report'. Are moderators not allowed to have an opinion and just bow down? Because that is what the above sounds like.

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Well, I read the original post Wednesday and then came back today to see what's gone down and wow, seems like crap hit the fan here haha. :p

Read through all the pages now and there is one thing that really confuses me. How can it be impossible that the car sold for 520,000 jpy? I've never had to go through negotiations, but to me it seems possible. On the report it is mentioned that the price would only go 20-30,000 jpy over the reserve but I wouldn't say that's always the case...

If I'm trying to sell my car and post for 15k, someone offers 9k, I can still say 14k can't I? If they say no, I take the risk of not selling the car. Is it not possible that the owner did this? I'm pretty sure anyone selling a car will try to get as much money out of it as possible even if it may not be worth that much based on similar cars' sales. I don't know, but to me it seems plausible that the car sold for 520,000 jpy. If it didn't sell it would be auctioned again in a few days anyway. I remember when I was looking for a car, some were up there that didn't sell for weeks at a time.

I don't mean any disrespect by this, especially since I'm a pretty new member, but you did post this on a public forum....you must have expected everyone to ask questions. I know some of them may have been answered in the original post but we all know that not everyone will read every detail. I think you are getting asked a lot of questions because everyone who has has any experience with Derek in the past, has had a positive one (myself included) and we just can't see him doing something like this. I'm definitely waiting to hear the other side of the story to understand what happened.

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[QUOTE=tudorH;75526]
Read through all the pages now and there is one thing that really confuses me. How can it be impossible that the car sold for 520,000 jpy? I've never had to go through negotiations, but to me it seems possible. On the report it is mentioned that the price would only go 20-30,000 jpy over the reserve but I wouldn't say that's always the case...

If I'm trying to sell my car and post for 15k, someone offers 9k, I can still say 14k can't I? If they say no, I take the risk of not selling the car. Is it not possible that the owner did this? I'm pretty sure anyone selling a car will try to get as much money out of it as possible even if it may not be worth that much based on similar cars' sales. I don't know, but to me it seems plausible that the car sold for 520,000 jpy. If it didn't sell it would be auctioned again in a few days anyway. I remember when I was looking for a car, some were up there that didn't sell for weeks at a time.
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I am just replying as an exporter, and not giving any opinion.

What did the owner do? The owner sets a minimum reserve, and the buyer makes an offer. The offer can be accepted or rejected. If the offer is rejected, the buyer can again say an amount. The auction will call the seller once more, and if the seller agrees, the auction will call back, otherwise if the seller does not accept, the auction will not call back (in our experience, this has happened). That is all that happens in a negotiation.

Part of the issue mentioned by Areeb is at what amount the negotiation started. He was told a different amount from what was actual.

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[QUOTE=Sastrad;75528]I am just replying as an exporter, and not giving any opinion.

What did the owner do? The owner sets a minimum reserve, and the buyer makes an offer. The offer can be accepted or rejected. If the offer is rejected, the buyer can again say an amount. The auction will call the seller once more, and if the seller agrees, the auction will call back, otherwise if the seller does not accept, the auction will not call back (in our experience, this has happened). That is all that happens in a negotiation.

Part of the issue mentioned by Areeb is at what amount the negotiation started. He was told a different amount from what was actual.[/QUOTE]

Oh, so the seller doesn't counter after the initial offer from the buyer? The buyer is basically making any offer above what he knows was the last bid price from the auction right? Sorry, I'm just trying to understand how it all works.

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[QUOTE=tudorH;75529]Oh, so the seller doesn't counter after the initial offer from the buyer? The buyer is basically making any offer above what he knows was the last bid price from the auction right? Sorry, I'm just trying to understand how it all works.[/QUOTE]

Questions are good. No worries!

On the auction sheet that dealers have, there is a space below the auction inspection. This part of the auction sheet is to place the start amount (if its blank the start amount is default to 0 yen), seller's minimum reserve, and if the reserve is "exact or more" or "approximate". Exact minimum reserve means the seller wants, at a minimum that amount they wrote. If the seller puts "approximate", it means the seller is willing to hear offers of less than their reserve.

In my experience, when I have put in the negotiation amount (and I always put the amount that is suggested as the start amount), and the auction calls back to say its not enough and tells me the amount the seller is offering, I will say, "Oh, that expensive, I can offer XXX". The auction will say "Oh, the seller is set on the amount," or "I will ask the seller again". If we get a call back, the auction will say "the seller is set on the price" or "the seller accepts your offer". That's it.

Hope that helps.

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Wow.
I know I don't post all that much, but I can honestly say that I'm not sure how much I still want to be apart of JDMVIP after reading through this thread.

I have read through most of it, and I agree silverstar. VIP, it really just seams like you are just trying to prove something based on a feeling. The unfortunate thing is Derek will be greatly affected by this, and you will not. At least not to the same degree.

Derek helped me import my e36 M3 last year at this time, and I can honestly say that it was an excellent experience. He spent tons of time writing lengthy emails and just generally being as helpful as possible. His communication was top notch and he put me at ease throughout the whole experience. Now I know all of these things do nothing to prove his innocence, however, considering my most recent interactions with him, I would be greatly surprised to find out if what you are accusing him of is true.

My car arrived late last summer, and at first, all seemed to be good. It was a grade 4 with some interior issues that I took car of this winter. A few months ago, I began replacing a few of the plastic front-end pieces that were worn out and damaged (fender liners, underpanel etc.). As I started installing new the new parts, I noticed that the were not lining up properly with the bumper. I also found things zip-tied together that were hidden from view. Long story short, it seemed as though my car had been in a minor front-end collision and was not repaired properly. The bumper was bent, but had been zip-tied into place from underneath to make it look like everything was fine on the surface. This was not picked up by the inspector and was not reported on the auction sheet.

I sent Derek an email letting him know what I suspected (hidden accident damage), and that I knew it wasn't his fault, but I was a little choked as I would not have purchased the car had I known about this. He was very apologetic and asked me to send pictures of the bumper alignment issues. After seeing the pictures, Derek offered me a 30 000 Yen credit (about $320 CDN at the time).

Keep in mind, this took place 10 months after I received my car! This could have easily been damage caused by me or somebody else in Canada, but Derek trusted me and was even willing to refund some of my purchase price. Did I mention I had never met Derek before buying this car? I have never talked with him on the phone, or met him in person. Just a regular customer.

Any other Exporter would have told me to take a hike, or said something like "there's always a risk when buying from auction."

My point is, someone who cares this much about the satisfaction of a one-time customer, [U]is not[/U] going to do the things that you are accusing him of. I'm sorry, I just can't buy it. It just does not make any sense whatsoever. Especially when you consider the consistent positive feedback Derek has gotten in the past.

I am seriously disappointed with the way you have handled this VIP.

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[QUOTE=Ringo;75534]W

Any other Exporter would have told me to take a hike, or said something like "there's always a risk when buying from auction."
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We have done similar customer satisfaction gestures. We did something similar with a client last month. Smaller exporters like the sponsors of JDMVIP tend to be more accommodating to their clients.

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I also want to put in...Wouldn't the admin of a web site that promotes being open, honest, 'we delete nothing', etc...be the last person that Derek would pick to pull some kind of fraud on? A place that he pays to advertise as a sponsor on? Really, doesn't make sense.

AND, on another side, shouldn't we not be deleting posts in this thread?

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[QUOTE=GregA;75538]

AND, on another side, shouldn't we not be deleting posts in this thread?[/QUOTE]

I deleted my post because I felt it wasn't relevant to the OP. I messaged the individual instead.

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Just to clarify, when I say "other exporters," I am definitely not trying to suggest Sastrad or BraveAuto or any other Paid Sponsors on this site would not go the extra mile for their customers as Derek did for me. I have heard great things about both of these companies. I was referring more so to some of the other companies that you hear horror stories about.

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[QUOTE=Ringo;75534]Wow.
I know I don't post all that much, but I can honestly say that I'm not sure how much I still want to be apart of JDMVIP after reading through this thread.

I have read through most of it, and I agree silverstar. VIP, it really just seams like you are just trying to prove something based on a feeling. The unfortunate thing is Derek will be greatly affected by this, and you will not. At least not to the same degree.

Derek helped me import my e36 M3 last year at this time, and I can honestly say that it was an excellent experience. He spent tons of time writing lengthy emails and just generally being as helpful as possible. His communication was top notch and he put me at ease throughout the whole experience. Now I know all of these things do nothing to prove his innocence, however, considering my most recent interactions with him, I would be greatly surprised to find out if what you are accusing him of is true.

My car arrived late last summer, and at first, all seemed to be good. It was a grade 4 with some interior issues that I took car of this winter. A few months ago, I began replacing a few of the plastic front-end pieces that were worn out and damaged (fender liners, underpanel etc.). As I started installing new the new parts, I noticed that the were not lining up properly with the bumper. I also found things zip-tied together that were hidden from view. Long story short, it seemed as though my car had been in a minor front-end collision and was not repaired properly. The bumper was bent, but had been zip-tied into place from underneath to make it look like everything was fine on the surface. This was not picked up by the inspector and was not reported on the auction sheet.

I sent Derek an email letting him know what I suspected (hidden accident damage), and that I knew it wasn't his fault, but I was a little choked as I would not have purchased the car had I known about this. He was very apologetic and asked me to send pictures of the bumper alignment issues. After seeing the pictures, Derek offered me a 30 000 Yen credit (about $320 CDN at the time).

Keep in mind, this took place 10 months after I received my car! This could have easily been damage caused by me or somebody else in Canada, but Derek trusted me and was even willing to refund some of my purchase price. Did I mention I had never met Derek before buying this car? I have never talked with him on the phone, or met him in person. Just a regular customer.

Any other Exporter would have told me to take a hike, or said something like "there's always a risk when buying from auction."

My point is, someone who cares this much about the satisfaction of a one-time customer, [U]is not[/U] going to do the things that you are accusing him of. I'm sorry, I just can't buy it. It just does not make any sense whatsoever. Especially when you consider the consistent positive feedback Derek has gotten in the past.

I am seriously disappointed with the way you have handled this VIP.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

you don't know me but I've introduced myself earlier.

Firstly, and this is not the opinion of JDMVIP, but my own, but if you feel like you don't want to be here anymore, you can leave.

There are 2 exporters who have given their expert opinion on here about this, plus a forged document that was sent by Derek and verified by Derek to us, and yet the best you can come up is your experience was good so therefore fraud couldn't have taken place? That wouldn't even hold up in small court....

I'm not disappointed in the way we handled this, but what I am disappointed with is in the lack of common sense going on in this thread.

You reply with nothing factual to do with the report, just your own 'feeling' and accuse JDMVIP of just reporting based on feelings. Sorry this is nonsense, it's just purely nonsense. At least we provided evidence, you provided a feeling and accused us of doing this based on a feeling LOL Do you see the nonsense of it?

JDMVIP provided evidence that was solid and have every right to post our experience on this forum and nothing will be deleted as it is the policy and has been the policy of this forum from the start.

It's really a huge disappointment to see how many folks have come on here to say 'that you're wrong because you have nothing' when we provided the most supporting evidence compared to any of you... :confused:

It's almost like you guys had a meeting together with a particular person and all came up with the same slogan...it's weird....

Some of the biggest scammers I've seen walk into court are charming wonderful smiling happy, evidently good natured folks who commited some serious crimes, like fraud...Not only shaddy looking people commit fraud just so you know...;)

I'm sorry if I sounded rude to you, but it's really disgusting to see how many people here have taken our very serious issue and made it their own collection of ranting. Don't support us that's fine, but do you think you can do that with some tact?. And you'll have to forgive me for being so rude in my wording. If this all ends up being court evidence, this only just makes it look like Derek's friends came on to bully the victim...it only helps my case strengthen. ;)

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[QUOTE=GregA;75538]I also want to put in...Wouldn't the admin of a web site that promotes being open, honest, 'we delete nothing', etc...be the last person that Derek would pick to pull some kind of fraud on? A place that he pays to advertise as a sponsor on? Really, doesn't make sense.

AND, on another side, shouldn't we not be deleting posts in this thread?[/QUOTE]

Actually, it's the perfect crime and makes perfect sense. See this is one of the basic things we learned in law.... the more wonderful the person the bigger the shock when people find out they commited fraud.

And I'm not sure what his former positon on this site has to do with the fact that he did in fact commit fraud. He was caught, it's all there, and he hasn't bothered to respond. He just didn't think he would get caught. I'm not sure what Derek's defense line will be, if this thread is any indicator he's probably running out of options for defense since JDMVIP has pretty much answered every angle he might want to take, and JDMVIP and I did that without friends coming on here to support us. We only came here with facts, and a piece paper Derek forged. :D

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[QUOTE=Lazina;75544]Actually, it's the perfect crime and makes perfect sense. See this is one of the basic things we learned in law.... the more wonderful the person the bigger the shock when people find out they commited fraud.

And I'm not sure what his former positon on this site has to do with the fact that he did in fact commit fraud. He was caught, it's all there, and he hasn't bothered to respond. He just didn't think he would get caught. I'm not sure what Derek's defense line will be, if this thread is any indicator he's probably running out of options for defense since JDMVIP has pretty much answered every angle he might want to take, and JDMVIP and I did that without friends coming on here to support us. We only came here with facts, and a piece paper Derek forged. :D[/QUOTE]

Right sorry. I forgot, we can't have our own opinion on here. Just ask Areeb how he's been treating Soren's opinion. I'm done with this thread.

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[QUOTE=Lazina;75544]See this is one of the basic things we learned in law....[/QUOTE]

I was trying to stay out of this shitstorm, but I have to ask. What exactly are your credentials at [i]law[/i]? With the amount of blind assertions you and Mr JDMVIP have made in this thread, the notion that law is or was something you have [i]learned[/i] is outright laughable.

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[quote=VTAKLOL;75512]Perhaps the moderator discussion is best saved for private messaging?
It doesn't seem particularly relevant to the thread and I can only see it derailing things.

In the meantime../grabspopcorn[/quote]
Clearly I did it just in time as I see almost every response here is a personal attack of some sort lol. Part of the reason here is that it turns out the only unbiased one around here is me, and there's a bit of a campaign against me lol. I don't see the relevance to most of the last posts, as most of them are not based on anything factual but mainly contain unfounded complaints to me, about this site and defamation of my character.:cool:

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[quote=SilverStar;75515]Wow, I want the half hour of my life back that I just lost reading this thread.

You won a car at auction, and it was under budget, awesome! It seems like you wanted to find something dishonest with all of the on the sofa CSI work that was done, but I still do not see any solid proof of fraud, just slander on your part jdmvip.

I cannot blame Derek for not responding to these accusations just yet, I wouldn't have very nice things to say right now either. If what he did is true, yes it is wrong. I also believe that what you(jdmvip) have done/are doing is wrong too. What gives you the right to try as hard as you can to discredit someone and ruin their reputation?

I am not taking sides, but I do not think that this thread should exsist.[/quote]
Sorry, we don't have a pay to read policy here lol, didn't you read the disclaimer?
You are right in some ways, it is good to have the car under budget, but not when it is marked up past what the true selling price was.

You guys are clearly misunderstanding the significance of what has happened and the clear cut proof in front of you and some other issues. The proof is more than solid as verified by the few people who are able to understand what they're looking at.

Please note that slander is spoken, what you are accusing me of is libel and the test for that has to be that it is completely unfounded and the poster has no reasonable belief, grounds or evidence to come to the conclusion, which is clearly not the case here.

1.) You accuse me of looking for something dishonest, but that is not the case. Regardless of that fact, I found out quickly that something was wrong with the price of my vehicle, and I let the evidence lead me from there. I think it would be silly to ignore the warning signs, the problem is that many aren't capable of being objective.
2.) You are accusing me of trying to discredit Derek and ruin his reputation. That is not true, I've only posted my experience along with the facts and evidence to back it up. I take your comment towards me as an attempt at just that, and you haven't provided any evidence to support your accusation.
3.) It's not logical (for the few who do use logic) for you to say you're not taking sides but this thread shouldn't exist. According to you I should have either not have posted the truth or nothing at all, unless it is positive.

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[quote=Speed Stick;75523]That was a ridiculous read. Could the original posts by JDMVIP not have been shortened to about a fifth as it seems all you did was rewrite everything out like five times. And then just continued to do so on your replies. Well that's what it seems like to me but I'm sure not gonna go over and try and read it again....

I also don't think Soren was attempting to discredit anyone either, your just trying to make it sound like he was.

And the parts you mentioned in those linked images of forgery, I don't even see what your talking about.

Ya maybe you should have gotten the original auction invoice but I honestly don't know how that part works as I didn't even know how vehicle negotiations worked up until this point.

If you felt you were being ripped off then why did you go ahead and purchase the vehicle. I'm pretty sure you didn't transfer the money until after the vehicle was won. So its not like Derek just had your cash in his hand to blow.[/quote]
Speed Stick, I'm very surprised that you would address anyone in a manner like this.

You are right in a sense, that there is some repetition in my report, half of that is due to me making repeated pleas and requests with Pacific Coast JDM to come clean and resolve the issue. I'm glad there is some repetition, as even then, most of the supporters still have either ignored the facts/evidence and I've had to repeat it here in answer to the same questions.

Soren was clearly trying to discredit SASTRAD, he started the thread by calling him "toothless", among other attempts during this thread. I don't let personal opinions or relationships impair my judgment so it's easy for me to see I guess.:D

I don't understand the point of your post, you're complaining it is too long, that you can't and don't want to understand the proof and instead you come here to complain lol?

I don't think I can win against Derek's loyal supporters here when everything is based on false accusations against me. OK Speed Stick, I will go back in time and on your advice, I will not pay Derek. Then you would be saying "why haven't you paid him?". Keep in mind, at that time I had little evidence of his guilt or involvement either, unlike many here, I operate on the facts and evidence, not just what I'm told to believe.:eek:

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[quote=Braden;75524]I don't understand. Shaun was giving his opinion on how he see's the whole thing, and how he understood your 'report'. Are moderators not allowed to have an opinion and just bow down? Because that is what the above sounds like.

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I'm sorry you see it that way but I've clarified many times that the personal attacks and insults are the issue and perhaps everyone is missing that part. Where did I say that his opinion is not allowed?

I can only say there are things happening in the background that shouldn't be and that I'm aware of it, as are some others who are likely basing their actions on blind faith.

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[quote=tudorH;75526]Well, I read the original post Wednesday and then came back today to see what's gone down and wow, seems like crap hit the fan here haha. :p

Read through all the pages now and there is one thing that really confuses me. How can it be impossible that the car sold for 520,000 jpy? I've never had to go through negotiations, but to me it seems possible. On the report it is mentioned that the price would only go 20-30,000 jpy over the reserve but I wouldn't say that's always the case...

If I'm trying to sell my car and post for 15k, someone offers 9k, I can still say 14k can't I? If they say no, I take the risk of not selling the car. Is it not possible that the owner did this? I'm pretty sure anyone selling a car will try to get as much money out of it as possible even if it may not be worth that much based on similar cars' sales. I don't know, but to me it seems plausible that the car sold for 520,000 jpy. If it didn't sell it would be auctioned again in a few days anyway. I remember when I was looking for a car, some were up there that didn't sell for weeks at a time.

I don't mean any disrespect by this, especially since I'm a pretty new member, but you did post this on a public forum....you must have expected everyone to ask questions. I know some of them may have been answered in the original post but we all know that not everyone will read every detail. I think you are getting asked a lot of questions because everyone who has has any experience with Derek in the past, has had a positive one (myself included) and we just can't see him doing something like this. I'm definitely waiting to hear the other side of the story to understand what happened.[/quote]
lol tudor, I would say the crap has started judging on the posts I've just had to reply to.

I like your post, because it's one of the few in this whole thread that actually directly addresses any of the evidence and doesn't make things personal.

1.) The car was said to have started negotiations at 225K (for those who read the whole report, that is a lie, the car actually started at 400K).

Now we need to distinguish two things as they are totally separate and many have confused them.

a.) Starting Negotiation Price.
This is the price that the negotiations start at, it may or may not be the final selling price as a general rule. However, considering the value that car's like mine go for at auction, the final bid price (225K), please note this is totally separate/different from the "Starting Negotiation" is such a large spread, most sellers would accept 400K, as they know no one will bid higher. Most sources told me the above alone makes it about 80-90% certain that not only was 520K impossible, but it was likely 400K if not a little more.
b.) The Reserve Price
This is what the seller actually wants for their car and what they would accept. This is why many car's don't sell at auction, the final bid does not meet the reserve price. So that's when a negotiation becomes possible and when keeping this in mind I was able to have the reserve price verified, it also turned out to be 400K (mentioned in the report, not to make you feel bad but for those who would accuse me lol).

Keeping the above in mind, and also that I was lied to about the true start price. It is impossible the car went for 520K.

Now if I believed the lie that the car entered negotiations at 225K, any Exporter will tell you it's impossible in two rounds that it ended up at 520K and the same applies even at 400K, and what makes this stronger is the fact that the reserve price is also 400K. So you are right, some sellers may try and get more, but there's no way they tried for 520K and if they did, I wouldn't have received a forged auction invoice :D

Anyway I think your post was the most thought out, it contained a direct question relating to the evidence and thank you. It's a fresh of breath air to respond to factual and logical questions rather than just attacks.

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[quote=Ringo;75534]Wow.
I know I don't post all that much, but I can honestly say that I'm not sure how much I still want to be apart of JDMVIP after reading through this thread.

I have read through most of it, and I agree silverstar. VIP, it really just seams like you are just trying to prove something based on a feeling. The unfortunate thing is Derek will be greatly affected by this, and you will not. At least not to the same degree.

Derek helped me import my e36 M3 last year at this time, and I can honestly say that it was an excellent experience. He spent tons of time writing lengthy emails and just generally being as helpful as possible. His communication was top notch and he put me at ease throughout the whole experience. Now I know all of these things do nothing to prove his innocence, however, considering my most recent interactions with him, I would be greatly surprised to find out if what you are accusing him of is true.

My car arrived late last summer, and at first, all seemed to be good. It was a grade 4 with some interior issues that I took car of this winter. A few months ago, I began replacing a few of the plastic front-end pieces that were worn out and damaged (fender liners, underpanel etc.). As I started installing new the new parts, I noticed that the were not lining up properly with the bumper. I also found things zip-tied together that were hidden from view. Long story short, it seemed as though my car had been in a minor front-end collision and was not repaired properly. The bumper was bent, but had been zip-tied into place from underneath to make it look like everything was fine on the surface. This was not picked up by the inspector and was not reported on the auction sheet.

I sent Derek an email letting him know what I suspected (hidden accident damage), and that I knew it wasn't his fault, but I was a little choked as I would not have purchased the car had I known about this. He was very apologetic and asked me to send pictures of the bumper alignment issues. After seeing the pictures, Derek offered me a 30 000 Yen credit (about $320 CDN at the time).

Keep in mind, this took place 10 months after I received my car! This could have easily been damage caused by me or somebody else in Canada, but Derek trusted me and was even willing to refund some of my purchase price. Did I mention I had never met Derek before buying this car? I have never talked with him on the phone, or met him in person. Just a regular customer.

Any other Exporter would have told me to take a hike, or said something like "there's always a risk when buying from auction."

My point is, someone who cares this much about the satisfaction of a one-time customer, [U]is not[/U] going to do the things that you are accusing him of. I'm sorry, I just can't buy it. It just does not make any sense whatsoever. Especially when you consider the consistent positive feedback Derek has gotten in the past.

I am seriously disappointed with the way you have handled this VIP.[/quote]

Hi Ringo, I have no idea how you drew your conclusions because I have a mountain of evidence, supported by numerous sources and even some Exporters here on the forums. I also want to start out by mentioning that I'm aware there is a bit of a behind-the-scenes campaign against me, once the dust clears I will detail this part more.

Now what you've said about your good experience is a part of human nature but not logical IMHO. You're saying that because you like Derek and had a great experience that it outweighs any amount of evidence and proof and that I must be wrong? You are welcome to draw that conclusion but I don't see how it's supported by any evidence.

I don't think the point about the refund is relevant to this thread nor does it prove Derek's innocence. Many who don't know this business may not be aware of the operational costs and cashflow required to make a business like this work. I've heard many stories of unwarranted credits and refunds being offered to people to the point where he makes no money, a business which makes no money and doesn't make it back elsewhere or in another manner can simply not survive, and that's all I will say. I would also say that it gives posters a motivation to support Derek, and I feel also shows poor ethics for anyone accepting such undeserved refunds and credits (Derek offers a straight to port service and does not have the cars inspected or on a lift and goes by the auction sheet, and he shouldn't be held responsible for hidden and unremarked damages).

You're welcome again not to believe the evidence, but please do not level false accusations against me when I have provided concrete evidence based on the facts.

I'm disappointed in how the supporters of Derek and his friends are addressing me with such hostility when I'm not the one in the wrong here.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75550]I'm sorry you see it that way but I've clarified many times that the personal attacks and insults are the issue and perhaps everyone is missing that part. Where did I say that his opinion is not allowed?

I can only say there are things happening in the background that shouldn't be and that I'm aware of it, as are some others who are likely basing their actions on blind faith.[/QUOTE]

After re-reading what I quoted, it does sound like you are basically saying "be un-biased". Which, I understand would be frustrating because good experiences are doing the opposite (again, like I said, it's the shock factor of that can't be true). Which, for you, must be frustrating. I definitely see where you are coming from regarding this. I apologize, as at first glance, it appeared to have a different message. Chalk it up to my reading skills :o

As for the bolded, damn politics :(

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[quote=GregA;75545]Right sorry. I forgot, we can't have our own opinion on here. Just ask Areeb how he's been treating Soren's opinion. I'm done with this thread.[/quote]
Please do quote me where I tell Soren he can't have his own opinion? I believe I'm being falsely portrayed when I asked that the rules be followed, specifically with professional behavior, addressing other members respectfully and courteously, including myself. That's simply not true, as are many baseless accusations and shots that I've taken.

What this thread is proving is that even the owner will be subject to bullying by the Exporters friends when they have proof of their bad experience and to warn and help others.

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[quote=Braden;75553]After re-reading what I quoted, it does sound like you are basically saying "be un-biased". Which, I understand would be frustrating because good experiences are doing the opposite (again, like I said, it's the shock factor of that can't be true). Which, for you, must be frustrating. I definitely see where you are coming from regarding this. I apologize, as at first glance, it appeared to have a different message. Chalk it up to my reading skills :o

As for the bolded, damn politics :([/quote]
No, please don't apologize, and yes it is about being Unbiased and among other things that us Moderators need to uphold. I'm glad that the truth can be seen, as sometimes when enough people make the same false statement, it fools others.

I'm only frustrated that the this thread has been intentionally sidetracked from the real issues and has little to do with anything relevant lol.

I'm just afraid that when people see I'm being bullied, that no one else will come forward.

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[quote=pitty;75546]I was trying to stay out of this shitstorm, but I have to ask. What exactly are your credentials at [I]law[/I]? With the amount of blind assertions you and Mr JDMVIP have made in this thread, the notion that law is or was something you have [I]learned[/I] is outright laughable.[/quote]
Hi pitty, I think we all know your antics and if you weren't doing this for some kind of gratification it wouldn't have been posted lol.

If you're implying that either of us is claiming to be a lawyer, that is not true, but you don't have to be lawyer to be well-versed, and I won't divulge more of my personal life and hopefully the few who do know, won't either. Why has this thread turned into a bash JDMVIP thread and make him answer 1001 questions when we haven't gotten the only answers that matter from Derek?

So I have to ask what is the purpose of your comment and how is it related to this topic? May I ask what your credentials in the law are and what your profession is? Please do quote with your evidence what "blind assertions" have been made without evidence or reasonable grounds.

Again, I don't know what any of this has to do with the report, it's just a personal attack and a game for you apparently lol.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75552]Hi Ringo, I have no idea how you drew your conclusions because I have a mountain of evidence, supported by numerous sources and even some Exporters here on the forums. I also want to start out by mentioning that I'm aware there is a bit of a behind-the-scenes campaign against me, once the dust clears I will detail this part more.

Now what you've said about your good experience is a part of human nature but not logical IMHO. You're saying that because you like Derek and had a great experience that it outweighs any amount of evidence and proof and that I must be wrong? You are welcome to draw that conclusion but I don't see how it's supported by any evidence.

I don't think the point about the refund is relevant to this thread nor does it prove Derek's innocence. Many who don't know this business may not be aware of the operational costs and cashflow required to make a business like this work. I've heard many stories of unwarranted credits and refunds being offered to people to the point where he makes no money, a business which makes no money and doesn't make it back elsewhere or in another manner can simply not survive, and that's all I will say. I would also say that it gives posters a motivation to support Derek, and I feel also shows poor ethics for anyone accepting such undeserved refunds and credits (Derek offers a straight to port service and does not have the cars inspected or on a lift and goes by the auction sheet, and he shouldn't be held responsible for hidden and unremarked damages).

You're welcome again not to believe the evidence, but please do not level false accusations against me when I have provided concrete evidence based on the facts.

I'm disappointed in how the supporters of Derek and his friends are addressing me with such hostility when I'm not the one in the wrong here.[/QUOTE]

Well first of all, I didn't say that my story proved his innocence. I simply used the story to make the point that it would be ridiculously out of character for him to do something like this to the owner of a site he pays to advertise on. I believe there must be more to the story and like others, would like to hear what Derek has to say.

Secondly, you're now calling my ethics into question for accepting a refund that was offered to me? I consider myself an ethical person and take that as a personal attack, but I guess it's ok because you own this site and can do as you please.

Finally, you say you're upset with the hostility you are receiving from Derek's friends and supporters. All I can say to that is what did you expect? What you've done in this thread is outright infuriating. I know you keep saying that all your doing is "laying out facts," but it's really a lot more than that. What did you hope to accomplish from this? I really feel like there had to be a better way to go about this, rather than calling someone out as a "fraud" as you have done.

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I just don't understand how if we have our opinion, you run off about 'the facts and ermagherd I have 5 pages of documents.'

Let people have their opinion. You have yours, I have mine. This place is going to be the new delica.ca for drama.

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[quote=Ringo;75559]Well first of all, I didn't say that my story proved his innocence. I simply used the story to make the point that it would be ridiculously out of character for him to do something like this to the owner of a site he pays to advertise on. I believe there must be more to the story and like others, would like to hear what Derek has to say.

Secondly, you're now calling my ethics into question for accepting a refund that was offered to me? I consider myself an ethical person and take that as a personal attack, but I guess it's ok because you own this site and can do as you please.

Finally, you say you're upset with the hostility you are receiving from Derek's friends and supporters. All I can say to that is what did you expect? What you've done in this thread is outright infuriating. I know you keep saying that all your doing is "laying out facts," but it's really a lot more than that. What did you hope to accomplish from this? I really feel like there had to be a better way to go about this, rather than calling someone out as a "fraud" as you have done.[/quote]
Hi Ringo

I agree you didn't use the words "my story proved his innocence" but your post leads leads to the logical conclusion that you're doubting his guilt based on your experience and was the bulk of your post aside from the following:

"[I]you are just trying to prove something based on a feeling[/I]" and " [I]Derek will be greatly affected by this, and you will not[/I]".

Clearly the only regard is for Derek, but my report is not based on feelings. Forged invoices and screenshots do not have feelings, nor do the assessments of Experts. To anyone who knows how to understand it, there is no doubt that the evidence is conclusive. Although it is not hurting me financially to lose about $1000-$1200, it bothers me that it has happened, I endured a great deal of stress and lost time on this one, aside from the bullying I've experiencing here and privately. No one deserves to be defrauded.

Sorry if it sounded harsher than it is but I would say that to anyone who received a refund on the grounds you did, and you're not the only one. I would personally not accept a refund in cases like those because I find it unwarranted and unethical in a situation like that. Just know that I haven't heard of any other Exporter offering refunds in those circumstances, unless you're saying the damage was not noted on the auction sheet and you weren't advised, I don't feel it is ethical or right to accept a refund.

Please do not try and use my status against me, I am truly sorry if you feel it was a personal attack but it was a personal assessment of how I would have handled the situation, since you're attempting to dictate what I post and how I post about your friend.

[I]"Finally, you say you're upset with the hostility you are receiving from Derek's friends and supporters. All I can say to that is what did you expect?"[/I]

I understand why you've suddenly come back from inactivity based on the above. Actually, I was warned by several parties close to him and directly, "not to post this" and that "you'll regret" and that "you'll be embarrassed". Now I realize it was a threat but it doesn't faze me and the truth will always stand out from error, and anyone reading can see what is happening.
The only embarrassment for me is the conduct I'm seeing here, but when there's a purpose behind it and it's for a good friend, all bets are off I guess lol.

[I]What did you hope to accomplish from this? I really feel like there had to be a better way to go about this, rather than calling someone out as a "fraud" as you have done[/I]

I already stated the reasons for posting this, and perhaps I'm the only self-less person here, but it's to warn and prevent others from being a victim of Derek/Pacific Coast Auto and JPC Trade. You ask yourself, what benefit do I get from this? I think you're pointing the finger at the wrong person, you can ignore the facts, but he had many chances to come clean, prove the price is right, and not only that, he broke off contact when confronted.

I'd like to ask you, how do you think I should have handled it other than to forget about it and ignore the evidence and not post a single negative or factual part of my experience? I'm not here to appease people, I'm here to do the right thing no matter how difficult some groups make that.

Now all we have are his friends here on a smear campaign which I've alluded to and confirmed already, and thank you for publicly verifying your intentions.

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[quote=GregA;75560]I just don't understand how if we have our opinion, you run off about 'the facts and ermagherd I have 5 pages of documents.'

Let people have their opinion. You have yours, I have mine. This place is going to be the new delica.ca for drama.[/quote]
I do agree the drama is starting, and that's only because there's some people with ill intentions working in the background, perhaps closer than I realized....

I will take whatever actions are necessary to ensure this site does not become like the other sites. We are committed to the highest level of integrity, ethics, professionalism and being unbiased on this site and to abide by the rules, it's why we have a great and unique community here.

That's why I've enlisted 3 Friendly and Unbiased Moderator(s), to ensure the environment is fair and balanced for both members and exporters. We're a place where no member feels they need to be afraid about posting their experience and that no backdoor agreements/commitments will affect that.
I won't let that happen and if this thread needs to be an example of those policies and reinvigoration, then I'm more than happy to take on those challenges.

Please quote where I have told anyone they cannot have their own opinion? If anything I've been the one told, not only can I not have an opinion, but I shouldn't have posted this thread, and I shouldn't have posted my experience. Your approach to me is very one sided if I may say as an opinion.
Why do you not find any fault with personal attacks, and insults but have a problem with me suddenly?

I have some concerns about what's happening and I will confront the leaders and those involved with it, when the time is right.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75558]If you're implying that either of us is claiming to be a lawyer, that is not true[/quote] That answers my question adequately. The implication certainly wasn't mine, it was that of your wife. I'll reiterate it for posterity:
[QUOTE=Lazina;75544]See this is one of the basic things we learned in law....[/quote] Learned? Where? Sounds like a clear implication of training to me. Reasonable question, no? It was just a matter of curiosity.


[QUOTE=jdmvip;75558]May I ask what your credentials in the law are and what your profession is?[/quote] My credentials at law are none of your or anyone's business, as I am not making any statements with reference to such credentials. Now that you've established the lack of yours (and those of your spouse), I'll gladly let the matter drop as a slip of the tongue.


[QUOTE=jdmvip;75558]Please do quote with your evidence what "blind assertions" have been made without evidence or reasonable grounds.[/quote]
Not going to dig deep for this one, let's look at the very same post:
[QUOTE=Lazina;75544]We only came here with facts, and a piece paper Derek forged. :D[/QUOTE]
Let's discount for a moment the issue of whether the invoice is genuine or not. The phrase above does not even bother to make a distinction between [i]"provided a forged paper"[/i] and [i]"forged a paper"[/i]. I understand that it is pointless to ask you for proof (last I heard, in our legal system, the onus of proof is with the accuser - which you most undoubtedly are - and not with the defendant) of that assertion, as it was simply an ad hominem on the part of your wife, and something that you frequently protest in your numerous posts.



[QUOTE=jdmvip;75558]Again, I don't know what any of this has to do with the report[/QUOTE] Good question. Until Derek weighs in with his side of this story, any feedback you're going to get to your side should not even warrant your response as you've made your case in great and inexhaustible detail (albeit missing the [i]only[/i] required piece of evidence), and simply keep reiterating the points you've already made while accusing people of misunderstanding you. The reaction is likely not what you were hoping for, as you've descended into mentions of a member conspiracy, while all you're getting is perfectly human, emotional response, often taking into account the uncertainty of your own evidence and numerous character references in favour of the person you condemned. What else did you expect?

I'm going to discount your accusation of a personal attack as you either don't know or pretend not to know what the concept means. [i]"Person X is a fraudster and a cheat"[/i] is a personal attack, while [i]"I question the credentials person X implies to have regarding specific professional training"[/i] is not.

And hell, it probably also makes sense for you to mention that you can read the private messages sent by the members of the forum as not all of us might arrive to that conclusion on our own.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75561] I would personally not accept a refund in cases like those because I find it unwarranted and unethical in a situation like that. Just know that I haven't heard of any other Exporter offering refunds in those circumstances, unless you're saying the damage was not noted on the auction sheet and you weren't advised, I don't feel it is ethical or right to accept a refund.

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I want to pipe up about this one. I posted to Ringo about SASTRAD offering compensation for issues that would otherwise cost a client a wack-load of cash to repair. Its up to the Exporter to make that call.

In the 1990s when I worked at General Motors in Oshawa, I used to dole out money every day for what GM called "good-will". I was in the marketing department, handing out money to people who had proven their loyalty to GM, and needed assistance outside their expired warranty. GM makes these gestures to keep client loyalty. My company does it for the same reason, as I'm sure Derek did too. I personally don't see it as unethical for the client to accept assistance. It only builds a stronger relationship.

But, this discussion is off-topic. That's why I PM'd Ringo.

I know a lot of people are getting upset on both sides of the fence. JDM said he posted to inform others of his experience. We have yet to hear from the other side.

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Forgive me for saying so pitty but I find your comments completely off-topic, rude and essentially trolling, under the new guise of "curiosity" but it's more than that, it's an attempt to discredit me and now my wife, as most posts here seem to head towards.

You're welcome to your opinions and I'm glad you've at least mentioned the evidence near the end of your post.

"My credentials at law are none of your or anyone's business, as I am not making any statements with reference to such credentials"

It seems you're implying that you know a lot more about the law or that comments relating to the law that we made, should affect our credibility. I hope this will be the only "slip of the tongue". I find it a sign of bad-faith or ill-intention that you've asked the same question to us but replied in such a manner. My apologies but how can you expect someone to answer your question and then feel that's a reasonable response?

I believe it's only common sense that when I ask my Exporter to prove the price of the vehicle, the onus is on them, not us. Nor is the onus on us to provide them proof they're caught when they ask us to. If we're speaking about a case in Provincial Court, well of course you're correct the onus is on us and I believe we can meet the legal burden.

[I]"Until Derek weighs in with his side of this story, any feedback you're going to get to your side should not even warrant your response"[/I]

That would be very fair pitty and was my hope but reality turns out to be different since we're still waiting and his friends have appeared in his abscene. I didn't expect this would turn into an attack campaign on my character and credibility but as you say, you can't expect a friendly reaction from the friends of the said party lol. Not withstanding that, as you may have noticed, I've been directly addressed in most responses here. I hope I've justified the reasons for my response to you and that you will be open to the same requests from me.

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[QUOTE=pitty;75564]That answers my question adequately. The implication certainly wasn't mine, it was that of your wife. I'll reiterate it for posterity:
Learned? Where? Sounds like a clear implication of training to me. Reasonable question, no? It was just a matter of curiosity.


My credentials at law are none of your or anyone's business, as I am not making any statements with reference to such credentials. Now that you've established the lack of yours (and those of your spouse), I'll gladly let the matter drop as a slip of the tongue.



Not going to dig deep for this one, let's look at the very same post:

Let's discount for a moment the issue of whether the invoice is genuine or not. The phrase above does not even bother to make a distinction between [i]"provided a forged paper"[/i] and [i]"forged a paper"[/i]. I understand that it is pointless to ask you for proof (last I heard, in our legal system, the onus of proof is with the accuser - which you most undoubtedly are - and not with the defendant) of that assertion, as it was simply an ad hominem on the part of your wife, and something that you frequently protest in your numerous posts.



Good question. Until Derek weighs in with his side of this story, any feedback you're going to get to your side should not even warrant your response as you've made your case in great and inexhaustible detail (albeit missing the [i]only[/i] required piece of evidence), and simply keep reiterating the points you've already made while accusing people of misunderstanding you. The reaction is likely not what you were hoping for, as you've descended into mentions of a member conspiracy, while all you're getting is perfectly human, emotional response, often taking into account the uncertainty of your own evidence and numerous character references in favour of the person you condemned. What else did you expect?

I'm going to discount your accusation of a personal attack as you either don't know or pretend not to know what the concept means. [i]"Person X is a fraudster and a cheat"[/i] is a personal attack, while [i]"I question the credentials person X implies to have regarding specific professional training"[/i] is not.

And hell, it probably also makes sense for you to mention that you can read the private messages sent by the members of the forum as not all of us might arrive to that conclusion on our own.[/QUOTE]


Hello!

I don't see what my profession or my education has anything to do with this thread. What does it matter to the facts of the review?

I'll give you a hint though, most of my education and training is in Forensic accounting...can you take a guess of what most of my court time was spent on?...Fraud cases...and I think if you probe around to some of friends Derek's on here, who have met me, they might remember me and validate my claim.

Again my profession and education has nothing to do with this thread and I don't think I have to really answer to your curiousty or to your pettiness; but I hope you are satisfied. :)

It's fine that you have your own opinion that you flew to just because I wanted to keep my privacy. I think I would be within my right to ask for an apology, but I don't think you're the type of person...

With that said, knowing just a bit of my background, does it somehow make the review more valid or less valid?

I don't think it's fair that you want your privacy but demand we answer your offtopic demands considering you have now implied that you know the law and being that you are my accuser, I think it's fair that you kindly answer my curiousity. :)

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[quote=pitty;75564]And hell, it probably also makes sense for you to mention that you can read the private messages sent by the members of the forum as not all of us might arrive to that conclusion on our own.[/quote]
I just caught this one, that's quite the hefty accusation. Can you provide some proof because you seem to know the law, and what an unfounded allegation could mean?

Thank you for implying that there is something going on by PM that I should know about, well since you owe me one answer you don't want to make, please provide a copy of your PMs, they can be Exported as you seem to know VBulletin so well.

For the record there's no option in VBulletin to view anything but my own PMs and I take this as a huge attack on my credibility and integrity.

I'm waiting for your response and of course I will agree not to share the contents of what you send me and trust they will be original.

I think it's only fair because I responded to your last demand, and now you have an onus to provide me proof of your accusations.

Thank you.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75573]I just caught this one, that's quite the hefty accusation. Can you provide some proof because you seem to know the law, and what an unfounded allegation could mean?

Thank you for implying that there is something going on by PM that I should know about, well since you owe me one answer you don't want to make, please provide a copy of your PMs, they can be Exported as you seem to know VBulletin so well.

For the record there's no option in VBulletin to view anything but my own PMs and I take this as a huge attack on my credibility and integrity.

I'm waiting for your response and of course I will agree not to share the contents of what you send me and trust they will be original.

I think it's only fair because I responded to your last demand, and now you have an onus to provide me proof of your accusations.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]
My take on pitty's statement isn't that it is an accusation, but an assumption on how the VBulletin software (and your account) functions.

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[QUOTE=Lazina;75571]With that said, knowing just a bit of my background, does it somehow make the review more valid or less valid?[/QUOTE] Something that is originally invalid is not going to get any more or less valid no matter whether it was done out of ignorance or willful indifference. One might argue the latter is a more aggravating circumstance.


[QUOTE=jdmvip;75573]I just caught this one, that's quite the hefty accusation. Can you provide some proof because you seem to know the law, and what an unfounded allegation could mean?[/QUOTE]

Let's go back and read:
[QUOTE=pitty;75564]And hell, it probably also makes sense for you to mention that you [SIZE="6"][COLOR="Red"]can[/COLOR][/SIZE] read the private messages sent by the members of the forum as not all of us might arrive to that conclusion on our own.[/QUOTE]
Rinse and repeat until you see clearly that I am not accusing you of anything except perhaps of having the basic maintenance skills required to run a website or a forum. If I'm guessing wildly, and you don't actually have such skills, then I'm sorry for making that inference, but [i]surely[/i] you would not find it problematic to accomplish what I mentioned with a cursory glance at the pmtext table of the forum database whence all [i]pms[/i] come, and are stored in a [i]text[/i] format. I don't care whether you do or do not, but don't be disingenuous and claim that you [i]can't[/i]. But I digress.

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Oh, snap.
Well, I'll respond to the lunacy going on here as soon as I have a chance. For now, I'm making pancakes!

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Hello, this is Derek Weldon, Director of Pacific Coast Auto.

Please forgive me for taking so long to respond to this. It is a delicate situation and requires full review.

I have been accused of fraud by a prominent member of this forum. This is a very serious accusation and I have approached it with honesty and integrity.

Pacific Coast Auto Imports, and myself as the director have not partaken in fraud of any kind. This is a misunderstanding with the accuser. Attempts to explain myself have resulted in them being used out of context against me. I have been accused of lying to support my side but have not done so. I have been accused of threatening the accuser but I have not.

Accusations toward Pacific Coast Auto have not been proven. They are based on assumptions made on feedback received from questionable sources. What are considered facts by the accuser is a series of points which drew up incorrect conclusions.

I was well aware of the accuser's position in the industry before selling to him. There is incentive for me to impress him. He knows the industry well and attempting to defraud him would be simply unintelligent.

The fraud accusation was made before any attempt was made to notify me of the evidence that would be used against me. Upon multiple requests to for the accuser to explain why he was accusing me, I could not receive an explanation.

I was told that he knew that I had scammed him and he told me that he would make it public if I didn't come clean. Since I did not scam anyone, there was no way for me to admit to anything.

The accuser's argument is based off of -

Feelings that my supplier gave an invoice that had been edited to hide the true price. I did not notice reason to doubt it. This is not the same as my endorsement, it is opinion.

Information that vehicles for negotiation always sell for the reserve price or close to it. From what I know, this is not correct.

It is supported by -

A series of opinions, conclusions, and misunderstandings.

The accuser asked me to contact my supplier and receive the original invoice form the auction. They gave me the scan which had been edited to remove parts. They told me that they will not supply any further documents. I have asked for them a number of times but they are standing to their policies.

I have explained that I am awaiting the end of this accusation before I purchase any more units from that supplier. As of this writing, I do not use them.

I have explained to the accuser- If he were defrauded, then I have been too. I have explained to the accuser that I would re-pay the amount that he was scammed for if he could prove it. My company would pay even if my supplier had defrauded us. I received no response to this.

Many of the pieces of evidence that were used against me are inaccurate and are subject to debate. Many still are just assumptions.

I understand that the accuser truly believes that he was the subject of fraud. I regret that my actions have caused him to believe this. My company is an intensely personal thing for me so being wrongfully accused has been hard for me to take. I admit this must be similar to how the accuser is feeling so I apologize to him and his family.

I have already made changes to prevent this kind of trouble from happening again. I sincerely apologize to everyone. I hope that your trust in me and Pacific Coast Auto continues.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75548]Sorry, we don't have a pay to read policy here lol, didn't you read the disclaimer?
You are right in some ways, it is good to have the car under budget, but not when it is marked up past what the true selling price was.

You guys are clearly misunderstanding the significance of what has happened and the clear cut proof in front of you and some other issues. The proof is more than solid as verified by the few people who are able to understand what they're looking at.

Please note that slander is spoken, what you are accusing me of is libel and the test for that has to be that it is completely unfounded and the poster has no reasonable belief, grounds or evidence to come to the conclusion, which is clearly not the case here.

1.) You accuse me of looking for something dishonest, but that is not the case. Regardless of that fact, I found out quickly that something was wrong with the price of my vehicle, and I let the evidence lead me from there. I think it would be silly to ignore the warning signs, the problem is that many aren't capable of being objective.
2.) You are accusing me of trying to discredit Derek and ruin his reputation. That is not true, I've only posted my experience along with the facts and evidence to back it up. I take your comment towards me as an attempt at just that, and you haven't provided any evidence to support your accusation.
3.) It's not logical (for the few who do use logic) for you to say you're not taking sides but this thread shouldn't exist. According to you I should have either not have posted the truth or nothing at all, unless it is positive.[/QUOTE]

You must be one of those guys that loves to hear himself talk. Does it get you off when you inteligently(used very loosely) cut people down? As the operator of this forum I would expect a lot more professionalism, but someone who is professional would not have posted such accusations in the manner that you did.

1.) You basically said that you did go looking for dishonesty at the first whiff of something not right in your mind. You won a car for less than you wanted to pay, STFU and pay the bill.

2.) Your experience and what you call facts should never have been posted publicly until fraud was confirmed. I do not need to try and discredit you as you have done that on your own.

3.) There are many other ways that you could have gone about this issue. The truth and what you believe to be the truth seem to be completely different in this case.

Derek, I respect the way that you have handled this situation thus far. Hopefully you can come to a resolution in the near future and clear your name from these accusations.

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I find it pretty funny how every time someone asks you, JDMVIP, a question, it is a "personal attack," but if you go back and read, it is mostly your responses that are the attacks. Though I agree with you that Soren as moderator was also a bit out of line with his more emotionally driven replies. Perhaps the reason you have to answer "1001 questions" is because you aren't answering them at all. All you seem to be doing is repeating what you first posted. Perhaps this is why it seems like a "Bash JDMVIP thread" to you, and perhaps the one who should be re-reading the thread is you, and not people asking questions.

I think a big part of the problem here is that to you, the negotiations starting at 225k is a "Lie" and somehow key piece of "evidence," whereas to everyone else it is a simple mistake. Could you please, without repeating your entire first few posts, explain how this is a downright lie, and how it would benefit Derek, and that it is not simple human error?

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I also think announced negotiation started price of 225k was just simple mistake. Because if negotiation starts at 225k and ends at 520k it is kind of suspicious. 97 Aristo is not this kind of car which will trigger bidding wars.

But if, let say, negotiation starts at 500k and ends at 520k it is more plausible because usually price increase goes by 20-30k, so started from 500k, one iteration up +20k and finally 520k.

So my logical conclusion is: if someone wants to inflate final price it will be more beneficial for him to announce higher starting price (500k) than opposite (225k).

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Hey guys, now that Derek has come back, I think this is the most constructive part of the thread. I will not reply to the ridicule or attacks anymore as it's just throwing this thread off track.

Megatol thanks for being one of the few to address the evidence and you're welcome to your conclusions and opinions and appreciate it. I just want to clarify that the negotiation start price was actually 400K (not 225K as I was told), not 500K, as mentioned in the report. The rest is all explained, but I just wanted to correct that fact.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75597]Megatol thanks for being one of the few to address the evidence and you're welcome to your conclusions and opinions and appreciate it. I just want to clarify that the negotiation start price was actually 400K (not 225K as I was told), not 500K, as mentioned in the report. The rest is all explained, but I just wanted to correct that fact.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I know it was 400k (I've read everything). My point is that if someone wants to lie about starting price in order to inflate final price, he will increase it, not decrease. 500k is hypothetical price which I just used to illustrate my conclusions.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75597]I will not reply to the ridicule or attacks anymore as it's just throwing this thread off track. [/QUOTE]

Good call because I just finished up a nice reply but called it off as you happened to post this just in time...

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I still don't understand. If there is any validity to your claim, why haven't you taken it to the authorities? Are you hoping by bad mouthing a well reputed and respected vendor on the internet, we're simply just going to shun him or that it will gain the attention of whatever law enforcer's jurisdiction this would fall under?

If Derek is the devil you make him out to be, then by all means let him face the consequences that would be handed to him if he indeed wronged you. If not, what are you hoping to accomplish?

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For arguments sake, what's preventing any agent from countering with 500 000Y or 520000Y knowing that the customer is willing to pay 550000Y for a particular car even if the negotiations are to start at 400000Y? why risk not making a sale when you have the buyers confidence to go that high? why risk not getting a car when a buyer wants it enough to spend 550000Y? What's the incentive to the agent to get the car for cheaper when it's not his money that he's playing with? If he's buying a car for stock, sure try to get it for as cheap as you can but if your commission is the same amount whether the car is bought for 420000Y or 520000Y why bother dickering? food for thought.

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This is all a little ridiculous.

My take- JDMvip had no grounds to go public with this. There appears to be evidence to found some suspicion, not a public call out. The last post is wise, if there was fraud- authorities with jurisdiction should deal with it. A forum based smear campaign is not the place for it.

The other ridiculous side to this in my opinion, is what people are willing to say on forums. JDMvip (the forum) is one of the rare places where people seem to come and speak to one another respectfully. Just because the founder of the forum may have made a poor decision doesn't mean that this place has lost its value, or that we should abandon what made it a good place to begin with. If you wouldn't say it to someones face, don't say it. Hiding behind a computer screen and saying "tough", sarcastic or rude things doesn't make you tough, clever or correct.

I certainly wouldn't expect that we will find any resolve through this thread, perhaps others would agree? If that is the case, should we even keep it active? At this stage I suggest that not only will we not find resolve, but we will likely not find any future benefit from its existence. I'd like to see this thread go away, if any resolve to the actual situation comes through with time, I would be interested.

Thoughts?

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[quote=Xanicron;75585]
I think a big part of the problem here is that to you, the negotiations starting at 225k is a "Lie" and somehow key piece of "evidence," whereas to everyone else it is a simple mistake. Could you please, without repeating your entire first few posts, explain how this is a downright lie, and how it would benefit Derek, and that it is not simple human error?[/quote]
I think there's a misunderstanding and the reason for the repetition is beyond me, because this is all answered in the report.:D

I mean no offense but I'm guessing you haven't read everything and you're not alone so don't feel bad lol.

Yes it is a lie that the negotiations started at 225K, as shown by a screenshot and confirmation from multiple sources that it started at 400K. If you read the report and timeline, you'll note I was told multiple times by Pacific Coast JDM that the negotiations did start at 225K.

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[quote=pitty;75576]
Rinse and repeat until you see clearly that I am not accusing you of anything except perhaps of having the basic maintenance skills required to run a website or a forum. If I'm guessing wildly, and you don't actually have such skills, then I'm sorry for making that inference, but [I]surely[/I] you would not find it problematic to accomplish what I mentioned with a cursory glance at the pmtext table of the forum database whence all [I]pms[/I] come, and are stored in a [I]text[/I] format. I don't care whether you do or do not, but don't be disingenuous and claim that you [I]can't[/I]. But I digress.[/quote]
I don't think anyone reading the following would take it as anything other than an accusation "
[I]you can read the private messages sent by the members of the forum as not all of us might arrive to that conclusion on our own.[/I]"

If you must know, it seems someone from part of this mysterious group that are in this thread has had a change of heart. I don't blame them for not apologizing here and doing it in a PM even though they were one of the rudest on here lol. I guess sometimes people have a change of heart when actually fully reading both sides objectively and have a level of integrity and won't stand for fraud.:)

You may believe the above is possible and it may be how you'd run a forum, but that's not how I do it and the above doesn't sound as simple and quick as you suggest, as there's certainly no way I know, but it seems you know best.

I'll take the hint that there's a good reason you don't want to share your PMs and I won't draw conclusions here.;)

All I will say in addition is to kindly follow the rules of courtesy and mutual respect, and do not bring your chatroom antics into this thread, we're all adults and this is not a highschool girl fight.:D

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[QUOTE]Many of the pieces of evidence that were used against me are inaccurate and are subject to debate. Many still are just assumptions. [/QUOTE]

To give an example of this, I will explain the negotiation start price inconsistency.

The starting negotiation price is displayed on my bidding screen through ASnet. The start price shown through ASnet is not necessarily the same one through the direct USS system. It is my understanding that this is a generated number based off the maximum bid price for that unit. I have experienced times where I faxed in a negotiation request only to be told that my max bid was lower than the actual starting negotiation price.

The starting negotiation price can also be changed on the request of the seller according to ASnet.

I have experienced starting negotiation prices that were 300,000 yen lower than final sale price. Therefore, this did not surprise me.

It is a misunderstanding on the part of the accuser in understanding how different auction systems work. I don't believe the accuser's sources have access to ASnet or understand such a technical point because if they did, they would have explained this to the accuser.

Furthermore, I have scanned my bank book for this transaction and can show that the invoice sent to the accuser matches the bank transfer to the supplier.

The invoice from my supplier which was sent the accuser showed 618,550 yen.
My bank book has a transfer for 618,550 yen.

If this content is doubted, I have complete bank book records from my bank showing all transfers between myself and my supplier.

Thank you

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[QUOTE=Derek;75629]

The starting negotiation price is displayed on my bidding screen through ASnet. The start price shown through ASnet is not necessarily the same one through the direct USS system. It is my understanding that this is a generated number based off the maximum bid price for that unit. I have experienced times where I faxed in a negotiation request only to be told that my max bid was lower than the actual starting negotiation price.

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Derek,

Just as a point of clarification, as its not clear from your post, did you see the negotiation start price of this particular vehicle? If so, why not do the negotiation instead of your supplier? You could have made the fee yourself :)

If your supplier was doing a live bid and then told to do negotiation with USS, they should have used USS CIS system, right? Or, they could have had a representative at USS Nagoya. They would have seen the 400,000 yen starting amount or had been told at the auction.

With USS access, one can offer negotiation on any unsold vehicle. In the past, this was only available to a buyer if they had made a bid on that vehicle. I'll check to see if this is the case with Asnet.

We have sold through negotiation on three occasions. We were never asked by USS Nagoya if we wanted to change the negotiation starting amount. We weren't even told the start amount.

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[QUOTE=Derek;75629]

Furthermore, I have scanned my bank book for this transaction and can show that the invoice sent to the accuser matches the bank transfer to the supplier.

The invoice from my supplier which was sent the accuser showed 618,550 yen.
My bank book has a transfer for 618,550 yen.

If this content is doubted, I have complete bank book records from my bank showing all transfers between myself and my supplier.

Thank you[/QUOTE]

Please excuse the second post. I am playing devil's advocate here. I just want to suggest a point.

We have to retain our bank books for audits, even though we colour copy them for our initial accounting submissions. Bank books are concrete proof that the tax office accepts.

Was your bank book ever offered to JDM when he started to suggest the idea of fraud? Bank books are a pretty convincing form of proof, especially if one sees them first-hand (like showing the book in a video conference so the person being shown doesn't doubt a "photoshop" copy).

I will be in the Tokyo area on June 25, and for the sake of proof, I would be happy to meet you and take a look at what you want to point out. I am only putting it out there as a friendly suggestion, especially since I've been public about my participation in assisting JDM.

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Thank you for your requests for clarification. However, at this point, I will not be making any public statements.

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[QUOTE=Derek;75655]Thank you for your requests for clarification. However, at this point, I will not be making any public statements.[/QUOTE]

You make a public statement, albeit unclear, and then "at this point" don't want to clarify? Its your right not to answer, but the lack of clarification remains.

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Sounds like "I have the proof and I can clear this whole thing up really easily, but I'm not showing anyone". Doesn't look or sound good on your end imo.

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Well that clears everything up, time to delete this thread.

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The proof of money transfer has been sent to the accuser in a scan and video.

In my case, I wanted to know what evidence the accuser had so that I could prepare evidence against it. In this case, these accusations were announced before evidence had been sent to me. I had asked for details but was not given any. I haven't had a chance to show this information up until recently. It has only been a few days since all the details came out.

In defamation cases, the accuser has to prove that the allegation is true in order to clear himself. This is what stops people from slandering and libeling their enemies. Already, what has been posted could be considered libel.

I have to thank those of you, individuals and exporters alike, which have not been asking me to get more involved. I understand that everyone is curious about the outcome and I would be happy to express myself in a safe environment. Public discussion leaves me open to being asked pointed questions and blame with the intent to discredit me. Not everyone reading will be able to see that. I believe that some of the people drilling me have interest in seeing my company fail. It is really easy to word your questions in a way that will point suspicion a me, and unfortunately, this could go on forever. It is difficult for me to not answer knowing that I am innocent. For this reason, I hope the accuser and others trying to prove my guilt stop now. I will be asking for apologies from those I think acted out of line.

I have explained and shown enough evidence in my favour now to eliminate suspicion of myself. Further questioning will seem malicious to me.

I have requested to the owner of this forum that this thread be removed. I would hope that the evidence sent to the accuser will satisfy his concerns. This thread can still cause harm to my company through misunderstanding and to those that do not read the entire thing.

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Wow. So, you sent the proof of transfer.for the.same amount as.Areeb paid? I wonder if NOW he will admit that nothing is going on at your end. He better be big about it, Areeb and his wife sure hurled.a lot of insults around and did not listen to anything that anyone would say to the contrary.

Thank you for putting the final nail in the coffin for the issue.

The issue that we all need to be concerned about is once Areeb admits fault and guilt in this matter, and admits that Derek did not rip him off, is how he will be accountable in the future. An apology is not going to cut it. What he has done here, in the words of a contact of mine, is violent and irresponsible. The damage that Areeb, and to a similar extent, Steve have done to Derek's squeaky clean reputation is vast, and this whole thread needs to be dealt with.
I only wish I was still a moderator, after seeing the priof myself, I would delete all these posts, and likely make sure an appropriate write.up was.done, so that the details could be forgotten, but never the mistake.

Shame on you Areeb, Lazina, and Steve.

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[QUOTE=Soren;75676]
The issue that we all need to be concerned about is once Areeb admits fault and guilt in this matter, and admits that Derek did not rip him off, is how he will be accountable in the future. An apology is not going to cut it. What he has done here, in the words of a contact of mine, is violent and irresponsible. The damage that Areeb, and to a similar extent, Steve have done to Derek's squeaky clean reputation is vast, and this whole thread needs to be dealt with.
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Soren, I was asked professional opinions, and gave answers based on what we were shown. If you read my posts carefully, [U]without bias[/U], you will see that. A few of my important questions, which show contradiction in what was exchanged, still remain unanswered, but I guess some people think that is ok.

I knew as a business competitor that I was putting my neck out for this. Based on what I was shown, I stand for what I said. I felt based on what I was shown that someone was being ripped off. As many people are aware of on this site, I have helped people in the past get money back from exporters ripping off overseas clients.

HOWEVER, I cannot comment on what was exchanged recently, but am glad that at least it was MY suggestion to show a bank book to prove Derek's innocence (till I suggested it, nothing was offered). Please remember that I wanted to see Derek prove his side of the story. I offered to meet him to show it first-hand.

If what is shown is true, then I am very happy for Derek that he indeed proves he was never involved with the fraudulent invoice from JPC, or that he knowingly dooped Areeb.

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[QUOTE=Sastrad;75677]Soren, I was asked professional opinions, and gave answers based on what we were shown. If you read my posts carefully, you will see that.

I knew as a competitor that I was putting my neck out for this. Based on what I was shown, I stand for what I said.

HOWEVER, I cannot comment on what was exchanged recently, but am glad that at least it was MY suggestion to show a bank book to prove Derek's innocence (till I suggested it, nothing was offered). Please remember that I wanted to see Derek prove his side of the story. I offered to meet him to show it first-hand.

If what is shown is true, then I am very happy for Derek that he indeed proves he was never involved with the fraudulent invoice from JPC, or that he knowingly dooped Areeb.[/QUOTE]

Well, Steve, If you recall this gem from the beginning of the thread:

[QUOTE=Sastrad;75402]
Its plain to see that this is not a "witch hunt", as its being described, but a recount of facts, and subsequently thoughts, on the experience of a single purchase. Frankly speaking, it comes down to the questionable auction invoice provided to the end-user (Areeb) via the broker (Pacific), the actions of the broker toward the end-user, and some facts that suggest fraud.

Personally, I feel Areeb has shown in detail what transpired. And from what he has provided, I would draw the same conclusions as he does. I stand by this till proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]

I believe that my use of the colloquism "witch hunt" still is accurate, you admit pretty plainly that the conclusions that YOU helped Areeb come to, you would stand by until proven untrue. Esentially I almost get the picture that VIP becomes a bit of a puppet. The scant "evidence", really no more than a hunch, was played up by yourself and you came to back the theory, and believe it! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you were definitely.at the.controls here. I'm just saying your role looks quite suspisious.

I add you into the shame pile, because you loudly proclaim:
GUILTY BEFORE PROVEN INNOCENT
but can fall back on statements akin to; "well, I just informed him how it works... I didn't know it would turn into this" and your statements that I called toothless previously because they were so non-comittal, for educational use only, allowed you to.come in as if you were championing Derek, wanting him to succeed, a veritable white knight of Importing, all the while suggesting little subconcious barbs in.Derek's direction.

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[QUOTE=Soren;75678]

I add you into the shame pile, because you loudly proclaim:
GUILTY BEFORE PROVEN INNOCENT
but can fall back on statements akin to; "well, I just informed him how it works... I didn't know it would turn into this" and your statements that I called toothless previously because they were so non-comittal, for educational use only, allowed you to.come in as if you were championing Derek, wanting him to succeed, a veritable white knight of Importing, all the while suggesting little subconcious barbs in.Derek's direction.[/QUOTE]

Ok buddy, sorry you see it that way. You have your opinion, and I have mine. I feel I haven't done anything wrong here. Enough said.

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Well I've been looking at this thread ever since its inception and didn't want to comment, (I guess I just wanted to see everything unfold) but I do have something to say now. It was actually heart breaking for me to see this thread come up as I have always dealt with Derek and his services. It was hard for me to see a squeaky clean guy like Derek's reputation be ripped apart with accusations. From my experience the guy is as genuine as any professional can be, sometimes even going the extra mile.

I remember when I bid on my very first car and the bid didn't register due to an error on Derek's part. I was disappointed I didn't get it, but Derek offered to give me a discount which he never needed to, but still offered. Since then I have purchased three cars from him and every car a good experience.

IMO this thread should be deleted immediately as it does nothing but discredit Derek and his company's reputation, especially if someone were to just look at it briefly and not read it through the end. Derek handled this situation like a champ! I know if I was in his shoes I would have rage quit lol.

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Derek,
my reply:

ASNET Comment

You seem to be saying below in your public reply that ASNET showed the starting price of negotiations to be 225K- as a way to explain for fibbing on the starting price... but in your email to me you told me you weren't watching it. How can you try to explain the 'start price inconsistency' when you yourself weren't watching it?

[quote=Derek;75629]To give an example of this, I will explain the negotiation start price inconsistency.

The starting negotiation price is displayed on my bidding screen through ASnet. The start price shown through ASnet is not necessarily the same one through the direct USS system. It is my understanding that this is a generated number based off the maximum bid price for that unit. I have experienced times where I faxed in a negotiation request only to be told that my max bid was lower than the actual starting negotiation price.
[/quote]

Here is an excerpt of the last e-mail from Derek where he broke off contact.

2013-04-23 12:34 AM
[I]"ASnet only shows the starting price for some auctions and then you can only see it when people request it. It will only display the starting price until the vehicle is won. [U]I did not check the starting price[/U][/I][I]."[/I]

As you can see, Derek told me he didn't check the start price, but publicly in this thread he's saying he was. Just one out of many inconsistent things Derek has told me these past 6 months.

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Hi Derek, I would appreciate it if you would refer to me as your customer because I am your customer, and I have not had a good experience with you to put it simply. If we must create pseudo-names, then why not just call me the Plaintiff?

Bank Statement

In the e-mail with the transfer he told me it doesn't prove his innocence, yet he declares publicly that it does.
Here's the quote: "Please note that this does not prove against your accusations but it is considerable reason to doubt it".

This is just one of many contradictions I constantly found Derek to be making during the last 6 months.
This statement only adds questions to my concerns.

Here are my points about why this is not at all proof of innocence.

1.) I did not pay Derek 618,550.
2.) Derek sent me a JPC Trade Invoice in January with the balance of "518,550", not "618,550".
3.) His Bank transfer shows 618,550, so if they are only asking for 518,550 why did he send an extra 100,000 JPY?

This is a discrepancy of exactly 100,000JPY that he sent extra to them, but this is under the assumption the transaction it was for my car. I've been told assumptions are bad, so I won't assume the payment was for my car since the amount is wrong.

*In short this Bank Statement does not prove anything as even Derek admits.

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[quote=Soren;75676]Wow. So, you sent the proof of transfer.for the.same amount as.Areeb paid? I wonder if NOW he will admit that nothing is going on at your end. He better be big about it, Areeb and his wife sure hurled.a lot of insults around and did not listen to anything that anyone would say to the contrary.

Thank you for putting the final nail in the coffin for the issue.

The issue that we all need to be concerned about is once Areeb admits fault and guilt in this matter, and admits that Derek did not rip him off, is how he will be accountable in the future. An apology is not going to cut it. What he has done here, in the words of a contact of mine, is violent and irresponsible. The damage that Areeb, and to a similar extent, Steve have done to Derek's squeaky clean reputation is vast, and this whole thread needs to be dealt with.
I only wish I was still a moderator, after seeing the priof myself, I would delete all these posts, and likely make sure an appropriate write.up was.done, so that the details could be forgotten, but never the mistake.

Shame on you Areeb, Lazina, and Steve.[/quote]
As a matter of fact the amount sent was not at all what I paid or what he was invoiced for by JPC Trade. It does put the "final nail in the coffin for the issue", but not the coffin you were expecting.

Shame on you for making another incorrect assumption on this thread, and for demonstrating such poor manners and disrespect.

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What about the uploaded video and scan of the bank statement? Care to.comment on that? Or just sour grapes trying to find inconsistancies?

You really need to step up at this point. Don't be a sore.loser.

I'm not saying that you weren't scammed, but it is obvious now that it wasn't Derek. If you wanted to catch JPC, why didn't you work with Derek?

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Did you pay a fee to Derek of 100,000 before bidding? Or was it added on to the invoice for the car?

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[quote=Soren;75729]What about the uploaded video and scan of the bank statement? Care to.comment on that? Or just sour grapes trying to find inconsistancies?

You really need to step up at this point. Don't be a sore.loser.

I'm not saying that you weren't scammed, but it is obvious now that it wasn't Derek. If you wanted to catch JPC, why didn't you work with Derek?[/quote]

I already commented on the Bank Statement as seen above, so no sour grapes here, just Derek's inconsistencies. Perhaps ask Derek to put up the JPC invoice I'm referring to, since he hasn't really shown anything publicly to defend himself and I'm not going to post up the bank statement video he sent because I respect his request not to show it.

I did work with Derek, perhaps you just weren't told that.:D
I'll be glad to detail that shortly.

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You haven't answered the question though, and it is a valid one.
I can't find what you paid in total.
If your car was 520k at nego, then you would pay 620k, according to the fee.structure here, a flat fee of 100k [url]http://www.pacificcoastjdm.com/pricing[/url]
If you thought it should go for 400k, you should have paid 500k.
Plus shipping of course.

So?

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The amount that I paid the supplier is not the amount that the accuser has paid me. Of course I make profit when I sell things.

The extra 100,000 yen refereed to is the deposit being paid back. I do this for all my vehicles. The invoice states this clearly. Please look in the bottom right hand corner. It states -

Total: 618,550
Deposit Refund: 100,000
Balance: 518,550

Then I added the deposit back in so that I could use it on the next vehicle.

Bank statements show that I paid the bill. You have the invoice from the supplier. You can confirm that the invoice is correct with my supplier. The chances of me foreseeing a need to show my bank book and have my supplier send any kickback to another account are ridiculous as I legally have no need to show you the bank book.

Your arguments against me are getting weaker.
I have asked that this thread be removed. I have a right for there to not be defamatory information about me on your site. You are the only person who believes I have stolen your money.

I have been very patient with you and will continue to do so until you stop and remove the thread.

You don't know how much, if any money was stolen.
Your only semi-credible piece of evidence is a document from another company.
Your argument about the starting negotiation price was based on misunderstood information. ASnet has confirmed again that sellers may change their negotiation price at any time.
I have shown proof that I paid what was billed to me.

I have known you for about 6 years and know that you understand the industry well. It would be remarkably stupid for me to try to scam you. Contrarily, you are an important customer to impress because of potential word of mouth advertising.

You have been hostile toward the other members of the forum when they have questioned your conclusions. It has resulted in a loss of membership and one or more moderators.

I think that it is time that you stop this. I have said that I am innocent and have made enough evidence to show that.

I don't mean to be threatening but you are acting out of line and have done illegal things. Freedom of Speech laws do not cover what you have done according to my legal advice. I am not wanting to go about this legally but I might not see any choice.

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Time to put on the big boy pants areeb. :(

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I too have been observing this from afar and I think it's almost time for you, Derek, to start thinking about taking legal action against the accuser (and no, I'm not even going to dignify you with your name jdmvip) if this persists and this thread remains open.
You have more than enough grounds within here alone to press charges of slander and defamation of character, and as someone running a business, these are things that you should not have to contend with when you have done nothing wrong and without the accuser having any REAL proof to back anything up.
I would hope the accuser (for his sake) takes this opportunity to retract his slanderous comments, remove this thread and extend his sincerest apologies to you, Shaun and the rest of this forum who have had to put up with this toxic nonsense that has been consuming the home page for far too long now.

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It just ocurred to.me that the closest action to fraud here, is actually the transaction whereby Pacific Coast Auto Exports pays JDMVIP to be a sponsor, and then gets falsely accused, and paid sponsorship suspended.

You should also give the sponsorship money back Areeb.I don't believe we other mods were ever involved with that stuff, but maybe I wasn't paying attention. Not sure what.it costs for sponsorship.

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Are we done with this yet or not? I m only asking because I want to see Derek's sponsor info back to the sponsors forum with his website and FB clicky thingy. So annoying to type it all the time on the phone. Common people!

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I thought this was all dealt with now?

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Nope, VIP hasn't come on to make things right yet.

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There's a lot to read here and I must admit I've skimmed a bit of it.

Does this basically summarize it?

Jdmvip bids up to 550,000
Bidding ends at 225,000
Negotiations with seller outside of the auction net an alleged sale price of 525,000
Jdmvip learns afterwards the reserve was set at 400,000

Jdmvip has reason to believe that the sale price would have been or should have been around the reserve price and that someone has pocketed the difference.

Documentation supplied looks to be missing information and there is no way to prove this through the auction house as they do not document these transactions.

Derek has some documentation that seems to prove that he paid the 525,000 to the 3rd party that actually did the negotiations?

Have I understood this all correctly?

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I feel both JDMVIP and his Wife both owe the apology if this is all settled.

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[QUOTE=Soren;75840]Nope, VIP hasn't come on to make things right yet.[/QUOTE]

...*sigh*, well I hope its soon..

Imagine what kind of effect something like this is going to have if this shenanigans is left for every tom, dick and harry to see on a public forum. Things like this will appear on search engines when the company is researched.

IMO this thread only hurts future business for 'new' customers and sullies a good man's name.

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[QUOTE=JFimport;75845]...*sigh*, well I hope its soon..

Imagine what kind of effect something like this is going to have if this shenanigans is left for every tom, dick and harry to see on a public forum. Things like this will appear on search engines when the company is researched.

IMO this thread only hurts future business for 'new' customers and sullies a good man's name.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more. The people have spoken, PLEASE MODS, remove this thread. It has already done unjust permanent damage to the company's rep and will continue to every passing minute. No matter if the issue is resolved or not, a random person just looking into getting a JDM car (this was me a year ago) is going to look through a search engine and look at various exporters and this will pop up, and will most likely create doubt in the mind of a customer resulting in no business for Pacific Coast Auto.

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The problem is that this ordeal affects not only Derek's business but business of ALL the sponsors of this site. I don't need to elaborate in what way, right?

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[QUOTE=dirtygames;75848]The problem is that this ordeal affects not only Derek's business but business of ALL the sponsors of this site. I don't need to elaborate in what way, right?[/QUOTE]

Very true, thank-you for adding that!

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[QUOTE=JFimport;75845]...*sigh*, well I hope its soon..

Imagine what kind of effect something like this is going to have if this shenanigans is left for every tom, dick and harry to see on a public forum. Things like this will appear on search engines when the company is researched.

IMO this thread only hurts future business for 'new' customers and sullies a good man's name.[/QUOTE]

This is happening right now...

Hi there, My name's James and I'm a long standing friend and customer of Dereks. I've brought over 6 cars personally since he started Pacific Coast JDM and referred many friends to him after they see the neat things I've found. I'm new to this forum and made an account solely to post on this topic.. a friend of mine who was interested in importing a car did this very thing, and searched for "Pacific Coast JDM" in google. This thread is #5 on the results list.. Even though I can personally vouch for Dereks integrity and service, and have half a dozen importation records on file, he's still hesitant and wanted to read through this entire thread before proceeding further.

Imagine how a new client without any referral from a friend who has dealt with Pacific Coast in the past must feel, finding this.

I'm not here to join this battle, and this will be the only time I post in this thread. For those of you who support Derek and Pacific Coast JDM, realize that every visit to this thread drives up its rankings on google, whether you comment or not.

If you'd like to help with damage control and keep a good guy in business, ignore this thread and instead post up a review of your own experiences with Pacific Coast JDM. I am going to do this right now myself.

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[QUOTE=trev;75843]There's a lot to read here and I must admit I've skimmed a bit of it.

Does this basically summarize it?

Jdmvip bids up to 550,000
Bidding ends at 225,000
Negotiations with seller outside of the auction net an alleged sale price of 525,000
Jdmvip learns afterwards the reserve was set at 400,000

Jdmvip has reason to believe that the sale price would have been or should have been around the reserve price and that someone has pocketed the difference.

Documentation supplied looks to be missing information and there is no way to prove this through the auction house as they do not document these transactions.

Derek has some documentation that seems to prove that he paid the 525,000 to the 3rd party that actually did the negotiations?

Have I understood this all correctly?[/QUOTE]

Pretty close, his final invoice for the car was 518,550¥ and derek sent him proof that he paid 618,550¥ to the JPCtrade. An extra 100,000¥ to cover his costs for deposit for the next time he uses them, and mentioned that the fee of 100k is to be taken off the invoice.
JDMVIP pretends that the numbers minus a neat 100k is someone elses payment and Derek hasn't proved anything. He may still be under the delusion that Derek is guilty. He is still very combative and surly in his last posts. Now that he has no wiggle room, and there is no one left who would give ear to his feeling like he got robbed, (except maybe steve?) He's disappeared again. That isn't unusual though for him. He is busy, and most time does not have time for the forum.

Your summary was pretty correct though.

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I can see why jdmvip has not yet posted, he made a very bold claim, and now it is very hard for him to save face in this situation. It would be typical for someone to continue to fight for his side even if all the proof is against him. I am not saying this to try and ridicule him, I am just stating that this is human behavior. I hope that at the very least this thread is deleted even if no apology is publicly made. It makes nobody look good and the site seem negative, and is far from the wholesome and informative threads that I joined it for.

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[QUOTE=JFimport;75845]...*sigh*, well I hope its soon..

Imagine what kind of effect something like this is going to have if this shenanigans is left for every tom, dick and harry to see on a public forum. Things like this will appear on search engines when the company is researched.

IMO this thread only hurts future business for 'new' customers and sullies a good man's name.[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily. This thread is full of huge support for Derek and people sticking out their necks for him. That speaks volumes of his character and way he does business. I think I'll be contacting him to help me in my search. Sometimes negative press is good press. Of course this is assuming people get past the first several posts.

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After reading this It's too bad how this played out. How irresponsible this thread is because of how flimsy the claim. Pacific coast auto is one of the best if not the best exporter on here. Derek is an awesome guy which I have personally bought 2 cars off of. He goes above and beyond. For me this thread does the opposite of its intention the crediblity of this forum just went to 0 and I highly recommend Derek for your next jdm purchase.

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Mark, are you saying the invoice is false or real....what do you make of everything that has been posted?

[QUOTE=Mark - Brave Auto;75488]All I have to say on this for now is………

If anyone thinks that being supplied an auction invoice or auction sheet proves anything (condition & price) then you are very mistaken. Blank auction sheets are available at the auction reception desk (how many would you like) and auction invoices, they can be made in five minutes flat and the good ones are very hard to tell if they are real or not.

It is a bit like testimonials on companies websites (any company website), I take them with a pinch of salt, why is it they only display good ones and never bad ones and how do I know that they are "real" and not homemade…..same goes for auction invoices and auction sheets.

The only way you can tell that an auction invoice is false is by the agent making errors when changing it but generally, very very hard to tell. You as the customer cannot ring the auction and ask what a vehicle sold for, they will not tell you, if they will not tell me and I have a few tricks on getting the information out of them (quoting company name and buyer number) then they are not going to tell an English speaking person calling from overseas.

Any agent in Japan trying to get a head by offering a copy of the invoice or auction sheet as a sales pitch…….like I said take it with a pinch of salt.

Below is a USS invoice issued to me (Brave Auto) from USS Auction Nagoya as I have full membership to the auctions.

[URL=http://s604.photobucket.com/user/Brave_Auto_International/media/Other/img852_zps1afccf07.jpg.html]Image:[/URL]

It has vehicles on it I have brought and vehicles I am selling as well.

The "red" on it is me hiding my buyers number, I do not care about my customers knowing it but I do not want to publically display it for my competitors to see as I do not want them knowing my buyers number. I do not have time to explain why, I will save that for another day.

Now….. you tell me, is the attached USS invoice real or not.……..lol.

For most people on here, you would have no idea, never seen one before etc.

Well, it is 100% real but as you can see it would not take much to change it and the ones who are more professional at it do the changes by printing a whole new one off opposed to cut and paste, blanking things out etc. However,, blanking things out is another trick to fool people into believing it is real.

Cheers

MB.[/QUOTE]

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Lazina, what possible explanation could you have to keep on this? You got a scan and vidoe of Derek's bill paid to JPC, didn't you? And where is vip now?

You guys have to face the music.

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Sounds like a desperate cling to anything just to keep the shit-show going.

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Well, to be fair, we don't know that they weren't ripped off, just that Derek didn't. But, to be fair, these accusatios were really just based off of hinkey feelings, unless VIP has some concrete.evidence he.decided.not to.share.for some reason.

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Thanks for clarifying...

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[QUOTE=FtGF;75862]For me this thread does the opposite of its intention the crediblity of this forum just went to 0.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. For someone like me who never really posts, but frequents this forum for information, I've unfortunately lost my trust in this website due to the actions, and attitude if it's operator.

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I have broken up my reply into sections for easy ready since this does get long.


Response to the minor delay in my response:
When Derek took days to reply, none of his friends demanded he speak publicly or claimed that waiting days was an indication of guilt, but I take a day because like Derek I'm a busy business man too; and I get hounded lol. A clear double standard.


Credibility of this thread and this site:
The only loss in credibility here has been by the Exporters friends, even Derek himself has not been as belligerent as them, but he clearly welcomes their actions. Derek's been caught lying on different occasions on this thread and yet none of his friends seem to worry about that, but then again who am I to judge, I only posted the review and facts.


There hasn't been a single credible or knowledgeable person such as another Exporter who found my evidence to be wrong, it's been quite the opposite if anyone recalls (of course they were defamed as punishment for giving their professional opinion). I'm not surprised Derek's friends deem him to be not-guilty simply because he says so, but the evidence for those who understand and read it, is conclusive. Of course, if I take more than a few minutes to reply, then I must be wrong and trying to hide or save face and it couldn't be further from the truth. Just another pathetic attack...


It boils down to this:
Here's what this comes down to, if I named only JPC Trade in my report, then this same line of people would not have falsely defamed me and attacked my character and are trying to destroy the site as punishment. And this biased behaviour is not in line with the values of this site. This site boasts that it is the unbiased authority, and to see a group of friends harass a legitimate complainant simply because they are friends with the Exporter; will not be tolerated here. It is a shame that anyone would suggest I don't have a right to review my Exporter unless it's a positive review.


The standard of proof for these select friends are that you have to provide absolute proof that your experience wasn't positive or they will bully you, and no amount of proof is enough. So that means that every negative review here by their standards means that you have to have proof that the experience was bad (and for the record, my review does).


For example, prove that the Exporter wasn't going to send your car or that he meant to do something shady etc etc And when you have proof, you'll end up being harassed anyways if you report it against their friend. This is not what this site was created for, and I will no longer stand by and watch this happen. The members have always been free to review all their experiences, good and bad, and I am not going to let them feel pressured to not review anymore because of Derek and his friends.


I'm not trying to be confrontational but I think many have this situation backwards.


Who's vendetta?
I believe everyone including my Exporter has forgotten that it is me the customer who is owed a duty and has every right to receive answers, including that the price of my car was correct. It's not an acceptable excuse to say "sorry my agent did it, now let's forget about this, I'm not at fault and I won't do anything about it".


My Exporter Derek did not disclose he would be using another agent, and by doing so, he becomes legally responsible even if his defence (which I've disproven), is "sorry I was negligent, I didn't know, I didn't perform my due diligence". Further, his own website claims everyone will receive the "Auction Invoice", I think he should add a disclaimer and mention that 'you have to prove I've done something wrong and that the selling price was incorrect and even then I won't provide it to you'.


And to go on record, despite this thread coming under attack by the Exporters friends, it has not stopped membership, and the 2 Moderators who stepped down, stepped down for their friend Derek the Exporter for personal reasons, because they could not be unbiased and felt their relationship with Derek was more important than the site. And as anyone can see, now they have a personal vendetta against me and the site that I created for the 3000+ members to be safe from the kind of behaviour they are displaying.

The other Members of JDMVIP.com
I was not going to address this issue, but since I am getting more PM's about it, I have to step in.


The majority of members go above the select few who are deciding to break forum rules. Now let me be clear, if you are simply stating that your experience was fine and you like Derek and that you don't agree with my evidence (although you'd make a terrible juror lol) but that's fine. These posters are not who I am referring to. Although I'd like to at least state why they discount my evidence at least- which I think is fair of me to ask.


All that's relevant is the proof that is at hand, if it were so easy to discredit I would have been proven wrong and shown exactly what's wrong with it.


At first I saw it as just an attack on me and I know how to handle it, but it didn't occur to me that others may not and would be afraid to post anything opposing Derek as a result; because they feel :


[I]"even your getting a s**t end of the stick there jdmvip, so I'm gonna get trashed so I don't want to say anything. But this s**t with Derek is too obvious to me, he's f***ing lying through his teeth, and I feel for you man."[/I]


[I]"hey jdm. sorry for the stuff going down on your thread. i'm glad you had the balls to say it though because derek did some stuff with my car too but i never said anything because i was worried about soren stabbing me.."[/I]


These are 2 examples of the 30+ PM's I received since I posted my report.


I'm very familiar with this strategy of [I]"[/I][I]when you can't beat or make the evidence go away you attack the poster with your goons[/I][I]"[/I]. I believe the actions and behaviour of both parties involved speak volumes about who is really at fault.


I replied to those PMs early on stating that these "friends" had every right to post their opinions but for a while now they have kept crossing the line with their conduct and behaviour. Any person who can read, can read back and see that I am simply asking for an unbiased assessment, I'm not telling them to not state their opinions, I am asking them to follow the forum rules of conduct and to see the evidence. Others have stated they do not agree with me, or asked questions about my report, and I am not talking about these people, just the select few who take it upon themselves to stop this legitimate complaint and this site.


The majority of the members also have the right to feel safe enough to post their opinions, and if they feel they can't because they will be bullied, it means that I as the site owner have to step in. And this certain group will say that it's unfair and that I'm trying to silence them when they know they have done nothing but flame and mindlessly accuse, making other members feel trapped and uncomfortable; and if I don't step in and take a stand then this same group of people are going to continue on their attack campaign and make it a toxic environment, as it's starting to spill into other threads, where no one will feel safe to post their experience about an Exporter who 'has friends on the site' .


Derek and my final attempts to contact him privately before posting:
Derek said:
"[I]I regret that my actions have caused him to believe this. My company is an intensely personal thing for me so being wrongfully accused has been hard for me to take. I admit this must be similar to how the accuser is feeling so I apologize to him and his family. [/I]".


Derek, if you regret it so much, why not do a joint complaint and lawsuit with me against JPC Trade if this is the case? I, the customer and victim still have absolutely no resolution, but your only concern is to do what it takes to sweep this under the rug and threaten me with a lawsuit. Why not call the police like you told me in your email early on and report this to the appropriate bodies? I would more than gladly come down to Japan to make the case. Of course we would have to answer to JPC's lawyer about why you then legitimized a forged Invoice to me...they would also ask some of the same questions my lawyer would ask you; such as "why you broke off communication for 6 weeks, why you didn't set up 2 requests by me to have a conference call with JPC and yourself, why you ultimately use the word 'wrongfully accused' when there is considerable ground to assess you as such".


I regret that things had to go down this path, but when you wouldn't answer my questions, broke off-contact and declined the conference call and did not authorize me to speak to JPC Trade, it left me no choice.


Threats of lawsuits are nothing new to me, I am very familiar with legal proceedings to say the least. I am not going to elaborate yet, but if I wanted to I could have sued Derek and JPC Trade already, and with that lawsuit I would have already dug up every financial statement of his company and JPC's, bank statements and would have audited it to the extent he can't imagine. That is where this case would go if I did take that step. But I have always thought about Derek's family, and that is why I chased him for 6 months- apparently no one downloaded and read the time line of events.


During these 6 months, even when I made my last ditch effort to phone him, all I wanted was to confront him with the evidence, resolve this privately and get a guarantee from Derek that he would never involve in this kind of practice again on our site or any other site for that matter. But because he ignored me and wouldn't tell me anything or answer questions, I had no choice. I had to make it public since Derek broke off communications for 6 weeks and wouldn't set up a conference call with JPC and himself. And I didn't know how many members he had done this to, or was going to do it to, since this is a crime of opportunity.


He keeps stating that he would have done something if I gave him evidence, would have called the police, and done whatever he can to get the money back, and yet even with all this evidence here he hasn't done anything. And that is simply because he is 100% involved in the fraud.


I've proved my case to a level that would be successful in court, the Defendent(s) have not done so, other than to claim it, but they seem to be short on evidence or details.




The Bank Statement response:


Due Date: 2013-01-22
Balance Due: 518,550 JPY


Your payment was due on 01-22 but your bank statement was for 01-25 (3 days later). There's no proof that transaction was for my vehicle aside from the amount being wrong.


The amount does not match nor does the timing and you yourself already admitted it's not proof that you're innocent in your own words. Please refer to my earlier posts where I quote you from your own e-mail. And it doesn't shed any doubt to my claim as you and your friends boasted.


I'm not saying this is the case but it's been brought to my attention that arrangements to defraud the buyer are not uncommon in a situation like this one. We have ABC Company who implies they're a big company with USS or some sort of direct Auction membership but they really don't have either. They really resell through an established Exporter (eg. JPC Trade). Now some of these middlemen/ABC Company's will approach their agent and say 'I know this vehicle sold for 420,000JPY but I need you to send me an invoice that says it was 520,000JPY. I will send the full amount but ask that you keep the difference on credit with me'. What often happens in that case is that both parties involved receive 50% of the markup.


This calls into question your transfer statement, we really have no idea what this 618,550 is for. It could be for multiple cars, parts or anything for that matter, we don't know how much they charge you to bid etc... I find it interesting how you've suddenly co-operated and attempted to use this one statement as proof of your innocence despite your admission in private that it's not. This figure would somewhat make sense except 618,550 would have to be based off of 520,000yen, and I think now is the time you Derek have to face the Auction invoice you validated to me.


Below is the copy of the Auction Invoice you sent me. You told me the following about it:
Image:

[I]13-03-21 04:32 PM[/I]
[I]The 50416 is the auction number and it matches with the original auction number

Please also notice that the 13,750 is the recycle ticket amount. This amount is different for every car and it matches the amount that we were charged.
[/I]

[I]13-03-22 10:43 PM[/I]
[I]"Hi Areeb,

The auction invoices are faxed to the buyers so the quality of the scan depends on the type of fax machine that is used. In this case, we would not be able to get a better copy of it. However, all areas are legible so I am not too concerned about that.

I can translate the areas if you would like but I would have to get my wife to do this as there are areas that I cannot read.

[U]It seems like the copy that was scanned was authentic. [/U]They covered the areas with paper and then scanned it. You can tell cause of the dirty marks on the paper or on the scanner glass.

Were it censored electronically, I would be more suspicious of it.

I also looked at the horizontal lines in the sheet and noticed that it bends slightly which made me think that it might have been edited but then upon looking at the parallel lines on the top, they also bend in the exact same way which makes me think that the bending of the lines has to do with the fax machine on the sending end re-orienting the paper when feeding it in.

I have looked over the paper myself and have printed it out to see it better and I can't see any reason why this would not be authentic.

Thank you
Derek"[/I]


That means that an experienced Exporter like yourself looked at this auction invoice saw the glaring forgery (assuming it was not you who made the forgery) and passed it to me saying 'it's a real auction invoice trust me.'


With that in mind, this whole fraud is about the price of the car. We have the proof of the reserve price that ultimately proves that the negotiations started at 400k and not 225k (we also caught him lying about it a few posts ago but his friends have cleverly ignored it). Derek saying it's not proof because it's from another company will not stand in court, and has no relevance because the screen shot has clearly not been doctored- as well as the price being confirmed by 2 Auction House employees and other Exporters.


We also know that with how negotiations work, there is no way in 2 rounds it would jump to 520k. So coupled with the forgery you and JPC felt compelled to make and pass it to me, it is very obvious what you are both trying to hide and that is the sale price of the car. The car most likely sold for 400K or 420K and you have not proven otherwise.


Now we apply this new number that has pretty much been proved, lets just say the car really did sell for 420K, so the math means:


420K + 100K (for the deposit of another car as you claim)= 520K


Yet your bank transfer says 618,550k...so as I said, there is still 100,000JPY you sent for no reason. Perhaps you and your friends thought that I would lose sight of the evidence of the car price being wrong.


I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with JPC Trade, I learned you can have credit kept with your agency, so I don't know if you keep 50% of this 100k extra you sent, or you keep all of it. But I'm sure JPC gets a cut, since they seem to give you breaks on paying later then the due date, and allow you to pay much later then most Exporters would when a car is bought.


2 Exporters, have weighed in on this Auction invoice you sent me publicly, and not even JPC has come on here to say anything in your defence. In their defence they told me over the phone that you are not being honest and that you never asked them for the original Auction Invoice, nor have you closed your account or confronted/complained to them for any reason, which is the opposite of what you said in your emails and publicly here. You said that JPC alone did this fraud and not you, so why then is JPC saying that you're not honest and that you didn't complain to them about this?




[I]13-04-12 11:18 PM[/I]
[I]"Thanks Derek
Is that scan you sent exactly how you received it from them (eg. did they just email that exact file to you?)

I would feel much better if we can get the original that USS mailed them (a scan of course), basically the same style as your other example.

Cheers

Areeb"[/I]


Points to consider:
In response to me not giving Derek the evidence, well in his last email where he cut off all communication he stated that even if he had it he would not have changed how he handled it. Even though in his thread he publicly says that he would have done what he could. This is again another one of his inconsistencies. JPC told me on the phone, on record that they would tell me everything as long as Derek allowed them, I told this to Derek in my voice mail to him- I still heard nothing back.


I even called him after I spoke to JPC, because Derek would not return my calls or reply to my last email. I wanted a phone conference between us 3 so that I could confront them and demand they both give me answers. But mostly, because my wife was so emotional about Derek's child and the circumstances of his finances we both just wanted him to admit what his role was, stop using JPC and to guarantee he would never do this again to anyone. I also didn't want to report anything that was not correct as I stated to him numerous time in my emails to him (read the timeline of events pdf).


I had no intention of not reporting all this, my intention was originally to state that fraud had taken place and that Derek resolved the situation (about a few months ago that was my position). But because he lied to me on so many occasions, ignored me even though I was chasing him for this invoice, because he flipped his position on JPC to they would not lie, and because he legitimized a forged document. I have an obligation to the members of this site, and if I wanted to, I would have posted all that I have without even trying so hard to chase Derek.


His only defence is that if I had sent him the evidence he could have done something about it, and in his email he tells me otherwise and ignores my calls.


What's going to happen next?:
I'm not going to censor what's happened here, and nor will I ban anyone, just yet. Because I have handed out enough fair warnings, I don't think any sound minded member on here will blame me for removing some people from our unbiased and fair community. This forum was created for the members an their protection and Steve coming forward as an Exporter knew what the kind of nonsense he would be blasted with from Derek's friends, but still came forward for the members of this site. His friends tried to discredit him, but backed down pretty fast once they couldn't, and the best they can do now is make loose arguments with no bearing and hope that the mob mentality will take over the site and bring it down. Well it's not.


To the members:
If you are uncomfortable, you can PM me for sure, I might not respond on time, but please don't PM again multiple times thinking that I don't want your support or your PM. That is simply not the case. As you can see, I have to do a lot of these lengthy responses that take a lot of time and sometimes I can't get to you in time. That is in no way of me 'brushing you off'. I know your concerns and I will address them, but as I stated to some of you already, I abide by the rules too and I can't just start banning people because they were harassing me. Of course, some of them have done enough to merit to be taken off, as I have been with Derek, I give many chances before I say 'no more'.


To the members who have broken the forum rules:
Please say something that is in relation to the case, if you can't I just won't respond because it really is becoming very toxic here and I will not dignify anyone with a reply to their belligerence.


PS: slander is spoken, libel is written...

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30+ PMs? Oh yeah, that I gotta see!

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Greg, you of all people surprise me....unless your complaint before (and you know what that is) was all a lie...but then again, this is what mob mentality does... and I still have lots of respect for you despite everything that you have said here and privately.

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[QUOTE=Lazina;75863]Mark, are you saying the invoice is false or real....what do you make of everything that has been posted?[/QUOTE]

HHHHHMMMM........ you really want me to post what I make of this........?.

Which bit are you referring to, the evidence you have posted or what I think in general about it all.

If the evidence, can you please PM me a copy of the USS invoice you received if you have a better quality or larger one than you have posted on here.

Cheers

MB.

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Well this thread seemed to unmod all of the mods...wat

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[quote]"hey jdm. sorry for the stuff going down on your thread. i'm glad you had the balls to say it though because derek did some stuff with my car too but i never said anything because i was worried about soren stabbing me.."[/quote]

Whoever made this comment should have posted it in this thread or started a new topic in a respectable/understandable way to the community by explaining what happened in his situation and how he felt it wasn't right he wouldn't get stabbed. Because who knows, maybe there really was an issue with him and Derek and we could help resolve it. Or maybe it was something that he misunderstood and just needed someone to fill him in on exactly why something happened the way it did.

I know if I had issues with the exporter I used whatever it may have been I would have for sure came to the community we have here and brought the issue up in a reasonable manner.

[quote]even your getting a s**t end of the stick there jdmvip, so I'm gonna get trashed so I don't want to say anything. But this s**t with Derek is too obvious to me, he's f***ing lying through his teeth, and I feel for you man.[/quote]

Same goes for this one, if he believes your right and sees something or knows something then why not come forward and mention it. If its legit and this individual comes forward in a way without just yelling "SCAM SCAM SCAM" and explains why he feels your correct then there isn't most likely isn't going to be issues. If there is well then that's what the [I]one[/I] mod remaining is for. Although I believe he's in Japan still on vacation so I don't blame him for not following this thread closely.


[quote]I've proved my case to a level that would be successful in court, the Defendent(s) have not done so, other than to claim it, but they seem to be short on evidence or details.[/quote]

Well if you say it straight up like that then how come you haven't went to court if you know for sure you will win? I'm not attacking you but if it was me in a situation where I knew I could win in a court battle then I would take it to court rather then to the forums. Or at least court first then follow up on the forums with the [I]legal[/I] verdict.

I'm not trying to side with anyone here but just trying to remain neutral although its difficult with the way things have been handled.

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[QUOTE=jdmvip]With that in mind, this whole fraud is about the price of the car. We have the proof of the reserve price that ultimately proves that the negotiations started at 400k and not 225k (we also caught him lying about it a few posts ago but his friends have cleverly ignored it)[/QUOTE]

I still didn't get any comments on my conclusions (below) about this fact "negotiations started at 400k and not 225k". So, jdmvip, my question is simple: how this will benefit Derek? As I understand every action should have a motive. What is a motive in this case? In my understanding, if I want to inflate the final price I will lie the customer about higher starting price, right?

[QUOTE=Megatol;75588]I also think announced negotiation started price of 225k was just simple mistake. Because if negotiation starts at 225k and ends at 520k it is kind of suspicious. 97 Aristo is not this kind of car which will trigger bidding wars.

But if, let say, negotiation starts at 500k and ends at 520k it is more plausible because usually price increase goes by 20-30k, so started from 500k, one iteration up +20k and finally 520k.

So my logical conclusion is: if someone wants to inflate final price it will be more beneficial for him to announce higher starting price (500k) than opposite (225k).[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75893]Greg, you of all people surprise me....unless your complaint before (and you know what that is) was all a lie...but then again, this is what mob mentality does... and I still have lots of respect for you despite everything that you have said here and privately.[/QUOTE]

Don't change the subject Areeb. Let's see a screen shot showing dates and subjects of those 30+ PMs. Save the massive stuffy answers rambling on, I don't care about them. Save the 'mob mentality', and all that other BS you keep blaming on why we're on Derek's side (aside from the fact that I would consider him a friend, granted, I considered you a friend up until now, and this massive stunt you've pulled.)

Please just show us the PMs. I've given you a simple request with a simple answer, lets see them.

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[QUOTE=Megatol;75588]I also think announced negotiation started price of 225k was just simple mistake. Because if negotiation starts at 225k and ends at 520k it is kind of suspicious. 97 Aristo is not this kind of car which will trigger bidding wars.

But if, let say, negotiation starts at 500k and ends at 520k it is more plausible because usually price increase goes by 20-30k, so started from 500k, one iteration up +20k and finally 520k.

So my logical conclusion is: if someone wants to inflate final price it will be more beneficial for him to announce higher starting price (500k) than opposite (225k).[/QUOTE]

Perhaps Derek just...gasp...made a mistake in quoting the opening price to Areeb! OH NO! A mistake! How dare someone make one of those! If he was perfect, he'd be walking on water and changing my drink beside me to have an alcoholic consistency, and not be water...Imagine that...a mistake...

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[QUOTE=jdmvip;75883]
PS: slander is spoken, libel is written...[/QUOTE]
Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up.



Derek, jdmvip just informed us all that apparently you have grounds to charge him with slander, defamation of character AND libel as well!

(Because we all know, vip, that someone who clearly loves to hear himself talk as much as you [judging from your long-winded, repetitive responses] certainly wouldn't be able to contain yourself to typed words on the forums when trying to drag a reputable business/person's name through the mud, right?)

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[QUOTE=Mark - Brave Auto;75899]HHHHHMMMM........ you really want me to post what I make of this........?.

Which bit are you referring to, the evidence you have posted or what I think in general about it all.

If the evidence, can you please PM me a copy of the USS invoice you received if you have a better quality or larger one than you have posted on here.

Cheers

MB.[/QUOTE]

Mark,

I'm not sure if you have checked yet, but I sent it earlier today. Sorry this was the only copy we were sent ourselves.

I would like your opinion on the evidence and everything else JDMVIP put in the report.

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